Trim/Tilt Gauge not working and other ?

[DarthVader]

Hello everyone,
I need some help again and it has to do with my trim/tilt gauge,I also having a issue with my trim/tilt when I am putting the motor down..
The first issue is my trim gauge does not work,I am not sure if it is the gauge or something else stopping the trim gauge from working,the first thing I check was the arm that has a spring on it just under the left side of my 1989 Evinrude 70hp to make sure it moves up and down freely and it does..
So I am not sure what I should check next to see if I can get the Trim Gauge to work,I always just turn my head to see where my Evinrude is position but it would be nice if I could get the Trim Gauge to work,so if anyone else knows what else I could check please let me know..
Now my next question,

I am not really sure how to describe this next problem so I hope that someone here can understand what I am trying to describe..
So my trim/tilt has been work fine since I bought my boat till I notice something different today about my trim/tilt,everything still works but when I go to put my motor down all the way I am hearing what I say is a rumbling/stuttering sound,I am think it maybe 1 of 2 things that maybe wrong.
One I am low on fluid or there is air built up in the oil tank.
So I checked the fluid and it did not come out the screw hole so I added just a little bit till it started coming out the screw hole, then I put the screw back in,so I check the trim/tilt again and it was still making that same weird rumbling/stuttering sound when putting the trim down..when I start hearing the rumbling/stuttering sound it is when it makes contact with the 2 piston rods that it touches when the motor is going down..
So is it possible that there is air that is causing this rumbling/stuttering sound and if so what is the best way to get the air out so my Evinrude is running smoothly again..

Thanks

 

[ggrimm01]

I have the 91 Johnson version of the motor. At the back of the boat when you face the motor, just above the power pack you will see 2 relays. These are the up down relays for your trim. Swap them around and see what happens. Mine was doing the same thing. I have 2 new relays on order and will replace once they come in.

 

[flyingscott]

I don't think the problem is your relays if they fail it stops working one way or the other. To bleed the tilt and trim run it to full up and add fluid if needed. Then run it up and down 5 times and recheck keep adding fluid until it comes out the hole. Also make sure the Tilt tube is lubricated that can make noise if it is dry or it could be a bad motor or the pump needs to be rebuilt. To check the sending unit for the T/N/T get disconnect it and put an ohm meter on it. When you operate it manually you should see the bar or the needle move depending on what kind of meter you have.

 

[DarthVader]

I don't think the problem is your relays if they fail it stops working one way or the other. To bleed the tilt and trim run it to full up and add fluid if needed. Then run it up and down 5 times and recheck keep adding fluid until it comes out the hole. Also make sure the Tilt tube is lubricated that can make noise if it is dry or it could be a bad motor or the pump needs to be rebuilt. To check the sending unit for the T/N/T get disconnect it and put an ohm meter on it. When you operate it manually you should see the bar or the needle move depending on what kind of meter you have.

Thank you both for your help,let me say that both the tilt/trim do work on the motor switch and on the throttle handle,as I mentioned the only time I am hearing that rumbling sound is when I am putting the motor down when it gets to the 2 push rods not sure if that is what there called,when you say lubricate do you me I sure put some sort of grease on the 2 rods,if so do I just put it all over the 2 rods or is there another way to grease them,sorry I am new at this and want to make sure I lubricate them right,I will do what you mentioned to bleed out the system..It was working fine for the last I say 8 times I went out and then it just started to make the rumbling sound when only when I put the outboard all the way down,so I will try your method to see if it solves the issue...

 

[DarthVader]

I have the 91 Johnson version of the motor. At the back of the boat when you face the motor, just above the power pack you will see 2 relays. These are the up down relays for your trim. Swap them around and see what happens. Mine was doing the same thing. I have 2 new relays on order and will replace once they come in.

I will see into just getting new relays any idea how much they would cost,I will also need to make sure I get the correct ones when I do ordered them,since the motor is a 1989 I am sure they have never been changed or replace so probably would not hurt to change them just to be safe and I know there new..I get a picture I think I know where your saying these relays are..

 

[flyingscott]

The tilt tube is where the steering goes through should be grease zirks on that.

 

[DarthVader]

Ok will double check that fitting Thank You..

 

[ggrimm01]

Here is the part on ebay. 7.99 + 2.99 shipping

[FONT=&quot]Johnson Evinrude 40 AMP TRIM RELAY Power Trim and Tilt 584416 586224 18-5705.[/FONT]

 

[DarthVader]

Here is the part on ebay. 7.99 + 2.99 shipping

[FONT=&quot]Johnson Evinrude 40 AMP TRIM RELAY Power Trim and Tilt 584416 586224 18-5705.[/FONT]

Thank You..

 

[DarthVader]

Just a little update I think I managed to fix the sound I was hearing when I put the motor down,I did what you told me flyingscott to do and it seem to have fix the issue, I do not hear the rumbling/stuttering sound anymore,I will have to check it once I take it out on the Lake next week.

I still need to see if I can get the Trim/Tilt Gauge to work..At this time it take me awhile to do this as I just had surgery on my back Tuesday,I am trying a 1 week Trial Spinal Cord Stimulator to see if it helps me with all this Back and left leg and foot pain which I go back on the 14th to have it removed so I need to watch how much bending/twisting I am doing as I have 2 wires coming out of my back and a little electronic box hanging off my side that runs the Stimulator..

 

[DarthVader]

Sorry to ask this again but since I can not work on my boat until I get this trial Spinal Cord Stimulator out of my back late late afternoon Tuesday so it will not be till Wednesday when I work on my boat again to see if I can figure out why my Trim/Tilt gauge is not working,I am so very Grateful and Happy for all the help from those of you who have replied..

Well I really hate to ask this as I am just not smart enough on how to test everything with a meter, or figuring things out by reading what to do on how to test everything, I will how ever be able to borrow a really good test meter..

As to myself not being very smart when it comes to knowing how to test things with a meter or figuring out what wires I need to use the meter on I am just so confused even when I try to read what ever one says I should try to do..

I am the type of person who was never good at reading so learning learning this way was very hard for me even in school,I the type of person who learns how to do stuff by having someone show me in person or by watching You Tube videos or even a step by step instructions with pictures which is how I learn a lot of stuff even in school..

I have search You Tube for a video that would show me but I am having no luck finding one that would show me,I have watched all kinds of videos but they all show me the wrong type of trim/tilt that is not related to my 1989 70 hp VRO Evinrude..

So if I may ask if there is anyone here who has the same motor I have or one that will have the same type of trim/tilt as I have.

I would like to ask for a big favor if at all possible would you be willing to help me find a video or make a video on how to fix or can show me in pictures step by step instruction on how to test everything so I can get my gauge to work..

I know I am asking a such big task for anyone who be willing to show me these step by step instruction be it be a video or pictures.

I would really appreciate any help on this..

This is not my picture but to give you a idea this is what my trim/tilt lever and sender looks like on my 1989 70 hp Evinrude.....

Thanks again for help you can give me..

 

[flyingscott]

Testing that is very easy forget about the green wire you don't need it for the test. On a digital meter there is a bar on the bottom of the screen you will be looking at that. Set the meter to ohms

this symbol. Attach the leads from the meter to the black and white terminals now manually move the sending unit. Watch the bar on the bottom of the screen it should light up as you move the arm. If you have a dial meter it is easier just watch the dial it will move. If it doesn't move the sending unit is bad. Disconnect the battery before you test

 

[DarthVader]

Ok sorry it has been so long since I have updated this post,well I did some testing and found out my trim/tilt gauge is what is bad,so I need to find a new trim/tilt gauge..

This is not my picture but my tilt/trim gauge looks just like it so can anyone tell me will any tilt/trim gauge work or do I have to buy one that is exactly the same as the one I have now.?

 

[DarthVader]

Hello everyone,I found a new gauge it will be here this weekend,how hard it is to replace this gauge I never done it before,I know I need to get on my back to get behind the dash,I was looking at some you tube video but could not find one that actually showed me the way they took it out,

I do know there is a bracket that holds the gauge in place,my question the bracket that holds the gauge in place is held by one nut correct? if so once this nut is removed can the gauge be slid out through the front of the dash so I can remove all the wires and reattach them to the new gauge?

One more problem I am having and I thought I had the rumbling sound gone when I put my trim down well the rumbling sound is still there..

Now the weird part is when I I tested the trim after following a video on how to fill the fluid for my trim/tilt and get rid of any air that may have built up,well I tested everything on land and it did not make any rumbling sound so I figured everything was good to go.

Well I went fishing today and went to trim my outboard all the way down the sound was back,when putting my trim down it is fine till it reaches the 2 hydraulics pistons once it reaches the 2 pistons and starts to push them inward is when the rumbling sound starts..

This was the video I watch and did every step in the video to make sure I was doing it right,I did this as I thought that maybe there was a possibility that there was air build up,

I thought I did everything correct but apparently my problem was not fixed, I going to try to follow the video again and hope I can get it to work right,if not I may have to bring it to a boat mechanic to see if they can fix it or if maybe there is another issue..

 

[F_R]

Without being in your boat, I think the sound is stiffness in the bushings on the tilt tube that you were told to grease. Loosening the nut on the end of the tub just a hair might help. It probably is alternating between going down under gravity and being powered down. If it gets to the point where it doesn't want to go down, you may have to disassemble that whole tilt tube assembly and clean the rust/corrosion out of it--a terrible job. But if it doesn't get worse, you might consider just living with it.

 

[alanfox55]

My gauge didn't work,checked the wiring under the dash and found a wire where the jacket had dried up,fallen off and the wire was corroded. Cut off the bad wire, spliced in a new, purchased a new gauge just because trim/tilt gauges are inexpensive and the new one looked way better then the old...problem solved.

 

[DarthVader]

Without being in your boat, I think the sound is stiffness in the bushings on the tilt tube that you were told to grease. Loosening the nut on the end of the tub just a hair might help. It probably is alternating between going down under gravity and being powered down. If it gets to the point where it doesn't want to go down, you may have to disassemble that whole tilt tube assembly and clean the rust/corrosion out of it--a terrible job. But if it doesn't get worse, you might consider just living with it.

If I can get time tomorrow I will try to get a video of the sound it makes when I am trimming the motor down..It is a big 3 day weekend here on Lake Champlain as we have the LCI Fishing Derby going on..This will give you a idea what it is doing and what it sounds like..I just need to figure how to get the video using my iPhone 6 plus as I never used it before to make a video and also figure how to post the video..

 

[Fed]

I haven't read all the responses but here's what I'd do...

A small dob of grease on the top of the TRIM rams then test.

Drizzle some oil ( I use tcw3) into the top of the TILT ram pin/knuckle then test, you may have to do this a few times.

Grease the heck out of the tilt pin (2 nipples) then test, you may have to do this a few times.

I say to test so you will hopefully know which one was causing it.

 

[DarthVader]

I haven't read all the responses but here's what I'd do...

A small dob of grease on the top of the TRIM rams then test.

Drizzle some oil ( I use tcw3) into the top of the TILT ram pin/knuckle then test, you may have to do this a few times.

Grease the heck out of the tilt pin (2 nipples) then test, you may have to do this a few times.

I say to test so you will hopefully know which one was causing it.

Thanks for your help Fed,here is a short video of the sound it makes when I am putting the motor down..By the way I put some grease on the 2 piston and it quieted that sound down,granted I checked it out while I was on land,I will need to check it out once I get the boat back on the Lake this week,I would have done it today as I wanted to go fishing but the darn wind is blowing around 25 to 30 mph.