uh oh.... now whats wrong?

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Ok in reply to my last posts Backfires alot.... today i changed the fuel filter and checked the spark plugs .. all except one were ok.. one was wet - oil or gas? i replaced that plug with new.<br />Tried starting was tough to start... used either and fired up but ran really rough..really rough! and then kinda had a weired sound (didnt sound right) so reved up and then still idle rough.. shut down and checked plugs. all were carbon fouled.. not wet! started again and now smoke was coming out from the back of the boat by outdrive.. what is goin on here.? seems to start ok.. like i said in past posts this happened all the sudden and started with backfire at 3000 rpms or so.. doesnt backfire when just throttle though does it when driving.. under load?? im gettin P.O.'d at this peice of ---- boat.
 

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Re: uh oh.... now whats wrong?

i can only say that its how my boat runs when theres water in the fuel<br /><br />if you remove the sepator and drain it in to a glass you will be able to tell if theres water<br /><br />tommays
 

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Re: uh oh.... now whats wrong?

how would water get in my fuel ..beside at the gasdock.. and why would the plugs be carbon fouled? and it would smoke (whitish) hopeits not the impeller or the exhaust
 

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Re: uh oh.... now whats wrong?

there is allways water in the fuel tank it goes with boating and the if you have a gasahol blend in your area it has become even worse<br /><br />its why boats have a filter just to remove water with age so much can build up that it becomes more than the filter can remove and it gets in to the carb<br /><br />i cant say it is the cause but at this point it is one of the easy things to check <br /><br />tommays
 

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Re: uh oh.... now whats wrong?

Water is always in the fuel, it just gets separated with filters, and usually is a small amount. If you never quite empty the tank, it is possible to build up in the gas, then one day it causes a problem. The tanks sit close enough to the water that moisture condenses into the fuel, small amount of seapage around teh fill cap, condensation in the fuel at the marina pump, water in the hose at marina pump if the hose isn't properly cared for etc. After checking the filters you might want to pull the carb apart. You will probably find some water stuck in there too. Each time you shut it off it will probably get worse until it is fixed.
 

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Re: uh oh.... now whats wrong?

Alternative,<br /><br />Not flaming you... but with all the trouble you have been having, maybe time for a professional assessment?? Just a thought.
 

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Re: uh oh.... now whats wrong?

i gettin there... my so called marine mehcs are soooo busy ??? anyway i just have the most bizarre problems with this boat and they are so sporatic.. each is diff.. now im ready to pull out and drop off for the winter to a mechanic .. but i need to get out... of the water.soon.. anyway..just tell me ..could this be a stuck choke and or a cracked plug wire. or a cracked dist cap or what..should i just try to replace all theabove and hope for the best.. does this sound like a serious prob???? I HATE BOATS...lol
 

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Re: uh oh.... now whats wrong?

Originally posted by alternative:<br /> ..could this be a stuck choke and or a cracked plug wire. or a cracked dist cap or what..should i just try to replace all theabove and hope for the best.. does this sound like a serious prob???? I HATE BOATS...lol
Yes, it could be one or all of those things. No, don't just replace everything and hope - inspect, test and evaluate, its a normal process to check individual parts. No, it doesn't sound like a serious problem, it sounds like a maintenance issue. Motors go out of tune, parts deteriorate, fuel get contaminated, carbys & filters get blocked etc,etc,etc. <br /><br />Aldo
 

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Could be one or all of what you suggested. Include with that coil, plugs, carb, sticky valve, broken valve spring the list goes on. <br /><br />The thing I noticed right away though is it backfired a little bit, then you parked it for 2 weeks. After this 2 weeks it started hard or ran bad during warm up, then steadily got worse. Things that go bad during sitting idle even fro a few weeks limit the search a little. <br /><br />The distributor could have a crack that allowed water and corrosion causing a crossfire between cylinders. Not a likely cause as I think you said it only pops under higher RPM's. Could be a bad plug or plugs giving week or intermittant spark. It would run rough at all speeds but be more noticable under load or high RPM's. It could be fuel running too lean when opened up, but at idle running through the idle circuit getting the right mixture. <br />If you want to sink a lot of money go ahead and change all componants until you find the problem. I would not recomend this though, would be cheaper to have a mechanic look at it. Inspect your parts and see what they look like. If you still have the old parts you said you changed, coil etc, put them back on and see what happens. <br />I may be all wet but I still lean towards a fuel/carb problem. <br />Try this, with the engine warmed up carefully close the choke off slowly. Under normal conditions when you close the choke about half way the engine should rev slightly, then start to sputter just a little. Fully closed it should sputter flood miss and shake then die. If the engine revs higher but keeps going, you are running way lean. If it dies instantly before you get the choke closed off it is running rich. Be very careful doing this though, a backfire through the carb could burn you bad. Stay back and keep a fire extinguisher handy!<br />Best of luck and keep posting about this.
 

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Sorry for double post, your problem has me thinking. I went and checked your first post again. You changed coil, plugs, filter, checked timing, compression check. You also said new ignition(elec)replace points? Was this a typo? Elec ignition has no points. <br />Anyway did you do this yourself or have mech do this? If yourself I am sure you used Marine componants. Like I said if you have these around still, put them back on and see if it helps. <br />I worked on an engine years ago with electronic ignition. The owner wanted a high energy Accel coil, so I put one on. Didn't think about it until about 3 weeks later the car came back backfiring under load. Turns out the coil either was bad or did not work well with his ignition system. Switched back to old stock coil ran perfect.
 

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Re: uh oh.... now whats wrong?

Not intended to question your skills.<br /><br />Check that your plugs sequence are correctly connected to the distributor.
 

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Re: uh oh.... now whats wrong?

could choke be stuck>>>> and why would it smoke out the exhaust area( no tru hull exhaust) never seen smoke in this area before.. it was kinda white... hope its not anything to do with exhaust or flappers and its not getting water to cool .. i dont want to ruin the engine however i just need to pull out of the water..for mech to service at his location...
 

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Yes, choke is another possibility. White or light blue smoke could be flooding, weak spark, intermittant spark, too much gas, or possibly water intrusion. <br />I hate to say it but it kind of sounds like it may be time for a mechanic. Do you at least have a manuel with repair procedures and specs?
 

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Re: uh oh.... now whats wrong?

yeah ... now the thing wont even start..? changed rotor plugs wires and wont start.. checked in carb .. its gettin fuel.. and its getting spark .. took all plugs out and cranked.. fuel came out of the left side of the engine..? whats up???
 

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Re: uh oh.... now whats wrong?

Flooded,... see your new thread for more info from me.
 
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