Up Tilt Doesn't Always Work

steelyonfly

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Today I was out all day and had no problems. Then when I needed to tilt up the motor before pulling the boat out of the water it wouldn't tilt up. It would tilt down just fine. I tried to jiggle the motor and then the switch worked to tilt the motor up. It worked fine after pulling the boat out.

At home it tilted up just fine so I could remove the support brace. Tilted down just fine to flush the motor. Tried to tilt up again to put the brace back in place and it wouldn't tilt up. The motor won't tilt up now.

Does this sound like it's just an issue with the up/down switch? I do notice that the feel of the switch is less distinct when pressing it to tilt up than to tilt down.

The switch is on the main control at the drivers seat and I do not have a switch on the side of the motor. Motor is as noted below.
 

foodfisher

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Re: Up Tilt Doesn't Always Work

Bypass the switch for an up test. Sounds like you suspect it anyway.
 

steelyonfly

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Re: Up Tilt Doesn't Always Work

I'm not any good with electronics, foodfisher. How do I do this?
 

steelyonfly

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Re: Up Tilt Doesn't Always Work

I remembered that I have a tilt switch at the bow. I tried it and the same thing happens - down tilt is fine but no up tilt. So, it seems there are more challenges here than just testing the switch on the throttle arm. Still, I would like to test as much as I can to make sure I have isolated the problem.

Again, I am not familiar with testing electronics so I need some good instructions for my abilities. I'm reading all i can here on tilt/trim posts, but some of it is over my head. I do have a voltmeter and have some basic knowledge of how to use it, if that is something I'll need to use.

Thank you all. I'm learning and have learned a lot here from just reading through the posts.
 

RRitt

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Re: Up Tilt Doesn't Always Work

find the two wires that go to the motor. they will be blue and green with a bullet style quick connector. hotwire trim motor to a battery. if it works up and down when hot wired then your problem is a switch, wire, or relay. If you are uncomfortable with electricals then it would be best to buy your neighbor a six pack of his favorite beer and offer to cut his grass while he fixes your boat. Or, if you don't mind paddling, then give it a go and call it a learning curve.
 

foodfisher

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Re: Up Tilt Doesn't Always Work

:laugh: How many wires do you have coming from the t/t motor? If two, one is green and one is blue. I forget which is which, but one is up and the other is down. Trace them back to the easiest disconnect and then touch them, one at a time, to the pos. battery post. It'll work or it won't. Three wire, the black is ground and needs to be connected to the neg. batt. post and proceed with blue and green as before. If the trim goes up and down, then as RRitt said, your prob. is switch, wire or relay. If it doesn't work then RRitt will have to come back.
 

ferdly1

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Re: Up Tilt Doesn't Always Work

sorry i posted in wrong area
:laugh: How many wires do you have coming from the t/t motor? If two, one is green and one is blue. I forget which is which, but one is up and the other is down. Trace them back to the easiest disconnect and then touch them, one at a time, to the pos. battery post. It'll work or it won't. Three wire, the black is ground and needs to be connected to the neg. batt. post and proceed with blue and green as before. If the trim goes up and down, then as RRitt said, your prob. is switch, wire or relay. If it doesn't work then RRitt will have to come back.
 
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ferdly1

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Re: Up Tilt Doesn't Always Work

I have found that the biggest problems with tilt and trim are usually the relays. I have two boats one fresh and one salt and have changed relays several times over 20 year only changed switch once, There are two relays on most motors one for up and one for down. What I usually do is swap the relays now if you start having problems with the reverse movement,then bad relay. If problem stays with the up movement, then check out the switch.
 
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steelyonfly

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Re: Up Tilt Doesn't Always Work

Thank you for responding. I will let you know how the testing goes.

RRitt, I appreciate you responding with good info. I personally don't like giving Carte Blanche to others to mess with my stuff. I've read your responses to other posts and you do seem experienced with motors and electricals. Unfortunately, I am not. We all have to start somewhere and that's why I'm here. Have a good day.
 

steelyonfly

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Re: Up Tilt Doesn't Always Work

Ok, this is what I've done and found. In case you're not into reading through what I did, the short story is that I think I fixed the problem and learned a lot along the way. For those of you that are going to read through and you think I may not have fixed the problem, please let me know what to look for and why.

I hot wired the tilt motor and both up and down work just fine. So, it's not the motor. Thanks RRitt for the idea and to hundee r1 for your link that led to roscoe's post on how to do this.

I switched the relays and found no difference in the operation - up tilt still didn't work. but down worked fine, so it seems that the problem is before the relays. Thanks ferdly1 for this suggestion.

I didn't try looking at the switch on the throttle arm because the tilt switch at the bow only works for down tilt, too. I am sure that the bow tilt switch worked fine last year. It seems unlikely that both of these switches would go out at the same time.

I looked at the fuses in the kickpanel to see if there was one burned out. Unfortunately, I have no paperwork or diagrams of the fuse layout, so I have no idea which fuse is for which component. I did find one fuse burned out and two loose connections, though. I replaced the blown fuse and fixed the loose connections. This did not fix my tilt problem. I'm not sure what the blown fuse is for. Maybe I'll find out later.

So, this is what I found:

I was following the wires to and from the relays, I pulled the wiring harness assembly out of the cowling to get a better look. In doing so, I didn't notice that the male to female plug on a green wire with white stripe had disconnected. This wire goes into the molded plug that plugs into the wiring harness assembly. There's another wire that travels with the green one that is blue with a white stripe.

I decided to try and tilt the motor ... I don't know why ... I just did. No up or down tilt! What the ____?

So I backtracked and found the disconnected plug for the green and white striped wire. I plugged them in. And I checked the blue with white stripe plug. It was not connected and was only held together by the silicone covering. I pluged them together. I tried the tilt switch and voila! both up and down worked! What the ____?

Then I remembered that out of each switch/relay there was a wire that came out and passed around the front of the motor and went into the molded plug that plugs into the wiring harness assembly. I noticed that the solid blue wire from the tilt motor (up tilt) was plugged into the same switch/relay that the blue and white striped wire came out of. The solid green wire from the tilt motor (down tilt) was plugged into the switch/relay that the green and white striped wire came out of. Apparently, these are the two wires that tell the switch/relays to ?close? so that the tilt gets power to turn on when I operated the tilt switches on the throttle arm or at the bow. I've also learned that before doing anything to diagnose an electrical problem make sure everything is connected!!!! You just might save some time and frustration.

I think that this blue with white stripe wire was disconnected and that is the only reason I couldn't tilt the motor up. If you think I should look at more than this, let me know.

Gentlemen, I thank you for your help and patience. I've got to say that I'm a little embarrassed :embarassed: and frustrated :frusty: that I've thrown out a request for help and found it to be a small problem that turned out to be a very simple fix. In the least I hope this helps someone else.

In my searching around, I found a burned female end of a male to female blug. The male end is fine. I will search the forum to see if I can find out what I should do for that. If I'm concerned with just replacing it and going on I will make a new post.
 
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