Just an update that hopefully will help others, my force 85 would not idle in the water but was fine on the driveway with muffs. A friend of mine was a merc mechanic for years and steered me in the direction of a stuck ring. He suggested " merc power tune" full can per cylinder. Ran it with muffs and followed his direction, what does it hurt three cans were $20.00. Immediately the engine sounded different but seemed more boggy. Finished up running it and took it to the lake. Wow, idles like a dream now. I would never have believed how nice this motor runs. Hopefully this can be a fix for some of the others on here with idle issues