UPS rant...

Bubba1235

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I don't normally post about poor service but... the folks at UPS deserve kick in the shins!

Ordered some parts (boat) on Wednessday last week (early morning) and paid for second day air delivery. (not cheap) The UPS tracking showed they picked it up around 1 in the afternoon. Package should have been here Friday according to their web site. (Would have been nice to get the boat wet over the holiday.) It just showed up this morning. :mad:

So I called UPS to both complain and ask for a refund of the shipping charges. The conversation went downhill from there. I was told, it doesn't matter if I was the one paying the bill, the shipper has to file the claim. I guess the fact it?s MY money doesn't mean anything to them. Then I asked why the shipment was so late. The person on the other end looked it up and told me that because I live in a very rural area I should expect an extra day for the delivery. I asked, where in the price stated does it say "unless you are located in a rural area" on your delivery promise? Why would a customer pay the higher cost of 2nd. day air if it really means 3 or 4 days? No real answer to that.

Then I asked why it wasn't here Saturday? The service person took a few minutes (me on hold) and came back and said she talked to the area manager and was told they canceled the Saturday truck because there weren't enough packages to justify sending the truck out. Again I asked where it says anything like that in the price schedule so I can make an informed decision? No answer.

Frustrated I ended the call and called the supplier (shipper) to have them file a claim on the second day air charges. I was told they would do it but,,, it usually takes a month to clear as it has to go through the billing cycle. So, the charge remains on my credit card (guess who pays the interest) until UPS refunds the money to them and they in turn refund it to me. It appears the cost is too much for them to carry for 30 days.

But, the supplier did understand its a screwed up situation and said that if I wanted they would immediately credit the amount to me if I wanted to make an additional purchase. (Hmm, can't credit my account immediately, unless I am buying something.) Told them thanks but no thanks, just send me documentation when the credit is applied to my credit card...


Don't get me wrong, I know that "stuff happens" but when it does the company responsible should be bending over backwards to make it right, not telling me I have no standing because I wasn't the shipper.
 

JRJ

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The supplier should credit you. I believe they make money on the shipping charges and you didn't get the service you paid for. The supplier should be aware they are selling something they can't deliver, ie 2nd day air to your zip code. Good luck.
 

Isaacm1986

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I normally use fedex whenever possible. I have dealt with too many issues shipping with ups. UPS is very slow with there claims, so good luck. It has taken as long as 4 months for me to resolve some claims with ups.
 

redone4x4

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I know UPS used to state that it may take an additional day for a residential delivery vs. commercial delivery. And they do usually take about a month to finally finish all the paperwork and refund the money. but either way it was more than a day late so yes you should get your money back.
 

JRJ

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I bet if you dispute the credit charge, the vendor would figure out how to fix things to your satisfaction.
 

roscoe

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I have and will continue to cancel the purchase if the seller will not ship either FedEx or Priority mail.
 

ezmobee

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UPS definitely sucks in this situation. However the vendor, in my opinion, is sucking more by not crediting you the refund until they receive it. That's BS.
 

cheburashka

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I see more and more of this "fine print" that wasn't printed from companies lately. I went to list some things on Ebay last week. They had a special on--any item, any starting price, no limits on number of items--no charge for listing. No restrictions listed. I busted my butt getting items ready. Listed the first one and was charged two bucks for it. After the usual run-around (45 minutes getting booted off of "live chat" and other technical glitches) Amy (odd name for a girl in Bangladesh, but that's another story) tells me that I don't qualify for the special because one of the five areas of my detailed customer rating has fallen below 4.5 out of 5 stars. No mention of this anywhere in the email or any of the other material related to the listing policies. So because I got what amounts to an "B+" in shipping speed, I get charged extra. She did eventually waive the charge, but was not at all apologetic.

Bad customer service of this type is going to do these companies in!
 

PiratePast40

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Expedited delivery isn't available in all areas even though they won't mention that when you pay for it. I've paid extra to both FedEx and UPS for morning delivery and then been told (after it didn't show up) that they don't offer that service to all locations.

I can understand the business reasons for not scheduling a delivery due to low volume but advertising the service, charging for it, and then not delivering is just not acceptable. I've gotten to the point that I have to call India to find out for sure if they do indeed offer the delivery they advertise.
 

JB

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We pay a price for living out in the sticks. Your experience is just part of it.

I won't hijack your thread to explain my current dilemma.
 

Tim Frank

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I'd side with UPS on this one.I don't really think they should be in your sights.
I think your beef (and I'd be just as steamed as you) is 100% with the vendor of the parts, who also sold you the premium shipping that wasn't so special after all; it is all part of their product.
It is not any different from their responsibility in a warranty situation...and if anything is ever needed there, hopefully they won't leave you hung out to dry on that. :(

(If you had to arrange this independently and directly with UPS, disregard the above opinion...:))
 

PiratePast40

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Tim, I'm not sure about that. The way I understand it, UPS (as well as the other companies) supplies the shipping rate schedules to the merchants. The merchants then pay to have those schedules integrated into their software. I don't think the merchants have any control over that part of it.
 

Fly Rod

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If you have your receipts take them to small claims. I do not know how it works in your state, in Mass. it cost 35 bucks to to file a claim in small claims court, add your cost to the claim, if you win, you get it all back. You may be able to claim 93A triple damages.

Or call charge card company to stop payment, they will send you paper work to fill out and they may stop payment till dispute is settled.
 

Thajeffski

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In the end you paid the parts place for 2nd day air right? I'd put a hold on their charge for a month...... and let them know you'll let it go when you see them getting your refund.
 

Tim Frank

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Tim, I'm not sure about that. The way I understand it, UPS (as well as the other companies) supplies the shipping rate schedules to the merchants. The merchants then pay to have those schedules integrated into their software. I don't think the merchants have any control over that part of it.

Oh, UPS may not be blameless!
I just meant that Bubba should be blasting the vendor, that is who he had the contract with. They can sort out with UPS who should be "buying lunch"...he should get a refund :D
 

Tim Frank

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That too is my understanding and the tracking system is 100% UPS's.

The problem with dealing with UPS is that you don't actually have a contract with them...as far as I understand the law.
That is why they seem only prepared to deal with the shipper.
If you split your wrath 2 ways, I firmly believe it is less effective than using both barrels on the vendor.

Just my opinion, and good luck however you proceed.
 

DaleT

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Tim is correct in the reason for UPS not want to deal with the recipient on the matter.

However, with regard to the prices of shipping. UPS has 3 rate schedules, published, list, and effective. Published rates are what you pay if you walk into a UPS Store without an account. List is what you pay if you have an account but don't really ship all that much. Effective, is the final rate a company receives at the end of a billing cycle with all discounts applied. What this means is the company who shipped you the product charged you a higher rate than what they will get billed from UPS (Fedex works very similar). Not to say UPS isn't without blame here, but I would definitely be on the vendor. As someone who ships packages to customers all over North America daily, I would never put my customer between UPS and myself.

Also, when it comes to UPS website, if you don't have an account with them and are logged in with it, it's not much use.
 

Jeep Man

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Bubba, things will get better, I heard that UPS are teaming up with Fed Ex.
The new company will be called.............

FED UP:D:D:D
 

jay_merrill

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I use UPS almost exclusively on deliveries, because they are the only one of the priority shippers, that seems to be able to find my house consistently. I live in kind of a strange place, because it isn't that far from "civilization," but its still kind of out in the "boonies."




???
 

kenmyfam

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We pretty much exclusively use Fedex for anything we need in a hurry and at a guaranteed delivery. Had a history with UPS being late with delivery. Prototype parts shipments to the auto manufacturers being late does not go down very well.
 
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