v4 crossflow head temps with infra red gun

pcrussell50

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just going through this engine i bought before i put her into service. pretty much doing the "awakening a sleeping outboard" in the FAQ here.

the motor is a '78 or newer v4 crossflow. the reason i don't know for sure, is it was cobbled together by a performance shop somewhere in the minneapolis area. i just know that it has the '78 and newer gearcase, based on the raked skeg shape, [i also have a '75 135hp for reference], and the tilt/trim setup with the dual-ram trim, and separate motor and reservoir. there are wiseco piston stickers around it, and i was told it was originally a 115, but that it was built by the shop to 140hp specs. i have no way of verifying this except that there is at least a "bubbleback" on it, which the 140's had and the 115's of the era did not, as far as i know. [later on, when prop rating began, 115hp was the top dog, and it had the bubbleback]. it is not so new that it has a primer solenoid though. it still has a good old fashioned choke.

anyway, i fired her up for the first time, this morning and she fired right up, even on year-old fuel. there must be sta-bil in it or something. BUT after nearly 5 minutes of running time, the strong telltale stream was still cool. on my yamaha 40, it becomes at least lukewarm in just a couple of minutes. so i felt around the heads with my [finely calibrated instrument], hands and they fell hotter than i was used to, but by no means, too hot to touch.

the odds that both thermostats are bad seem slim to me, yet if even one was opening, i'd have thought the telltale water would be a little warm. it is possible that it just simply was not warm enough to open them idling in the driveway on muffs?

i am certainly going to try "pour hot water down the tubes" trick in the FAQ. but i also just realized that i have a nice infra-red temperature gun that i could try on the heads. what temp should i see as "normal", idling on muffs, and when should i shut her down, due to heat worries?

-peter
 

bob johnson

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Re: v4 crossflow head temps with infra red gun

it is possible if the motor is running good or rich, it might not get to 140 degrees ( what i am guessing the t-stats would open at....

I had idled my 115 looper in the yard on muffs and stayed below 120...

but usually it seems now to be about 140-150 ish..verified with an infared gun..

but certainly your stats could be bad... and your hose well water...really cold to start with


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itsaboattime

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Re: v4 crossflow head temps with infra red gun

The stats should open at about 140 degrees. Generally that is the temp your infared gun should tell you. A few degrees either way is acceptable. The telltale may or may not produce warm water. I may be wrong but if it comes off the "bubbleback" exhaust cover, at idle, it won't get warm. My '87 110 horse never gets warm water at the telltale, even if I have been running WOT for an hour.

If you are running on muffs, the starboard bank, will probably run a little hotter than the port bank. I dunno why, but the are several postings on here that suggests that is common. If you can keep you hand on the heads for longer than 10 seconds, then you temps are probably ok.
You never got a temp alarm right?
 

pcrussell50

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Re: v4 crossflow head temps with infra red gun

why yes, it does come off the bubbleback. that's a fascinating tidbit of info. this is exactly what i like about this forum!

i'll put the temp gun on it tomorrow.

-peter
 

Cricket Too

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Re: v4 crossflow head temps with infra red gun

The stats should open at about 140 degrees. Generally that is the temp your infared gun should tell you. A few degrees either way is acceptable. The telltale may or may not produce warm water. I may be wrong but if it comes off the "bubbleback" exhaust cover, at idle, it won't get warm. My '87 110 horse never gets warm water at the telltale, even if I have been running WOT for an hour.

If you are running on muffs, the starboard bank, will probably run a little hotter than the port bank. I dunno why, but the are several postings on here that suggests that is common. If you can keep you hand on the heads for longer than 10 seconds, then you temps are probably ok.
You never got a temp alarm right?


Longer than 10 seconds??? If you can keep your hands on the heads for 10 seconds or longer than you are running way too cold. Rule of thumb is you should be able to hold your fingers on the heads for about 3 seconds before you have to take them off, that's generally around 140 degrees, give or take.
 

pcrussell50

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Re: v4 crossflow head temps with infra red gun

Longer than 10 seconds??? If you can keep your hands on the heads for 10 seconds or longer than you are running way too cold. Rule of thumb is you should be able to hold your fingers on the heads for about 3 seconds before you have to take them off, that's generally around 140 degrees, give or take.

man, i love this place! tomorrow, i'll try it with both the temp gun and i'll use that to "calibrate" my hand.

i _swear_ i could keep my hand on my yamaha's head as long as i want. it's been a while since i tried, or cared though. i'll have to try it again on the yami, too.

-peter
 

Cricket Too

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Re: v4 crossflow head temps with infra red gun

Hahaha, definitely let us know how well your temp gun calibrates your hand. I have heard, and used, for years the 3 second finger rule on OMC's, if your gun shows 140-150 and you can keep your hand on it all day, then that will be an eye opener, but I doubt it.

I have heard that Yami's and Merc's run cooler, but I have had my fingers on plenty of Yami heads and they started burning after 3-4 seconds too.....just sayin.
 
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