Very ​frustrated & need help with this motor

DJ_Allatoona

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Hoping some experienced Mercury guys read this: I'm approaching the end of my rope with my older motor. I've done everything I know how to do or can do with a shop manual. I cannot solve this problem. If you would read this and weigh in with an idea I'd be very grateful.

It's a Mercury 75HP from 1986. Serial number is 0A984714. Cold start is fine. Couple of gas bulb pumps and she fires up and idles nicely. Sits and purrs while I put my truck away, etc. Then, for the first hour, everything is awesome! She jumps out of the hole. Drops down to No Wake speed under bridges without a hiccup. Quick response to all throttle changes. Seriously, I couldn't be happier. Then, after I've stopped for the first time, to fish or swim or play with the kids, that's when "The Problem" begins.

Here's what I call "The Problem". After this motor has been running awhile, like I said, 45 minutes or an hour, restarting it is difficult. I have to pump the crap out of the fuel bulb, and crank it for some time before it starts. Much harder start than when it's cold. Idling is very low and rough, and I have to play with the idle throttle to keep it from stalling. During "The Problem", the motor dies when I push the throttle forward. Like, it just bottoms out and dies, as if I'd turned off the key. Restart it, throttle forward, dies. Restart it, throttle forward, dies. Maybe on the fifth repeat of this, it sputters and reluctantly comes out of the hole. Once it does run, it's fine. Until I stop again, then the whole thing repeats. It's maddening.

It gets worse as the day goes on, so by the time I'm trailering the boat and puttering around the dock and ramp, the idle is so bad that to move I have to nudge the throttle, then QUICK throw it in neutral and raise the idle throttle to keep it from stalling.

OK, this is what I've done to try and fix it. My untrained brain thinks it's a fuel system problem, so I attacked that. I replaced all the fuel lines, fittings and primer bulb. I rebuilt the fuel pump twice. I've done the SEAFOAM treatment several times. Twice I've taken out the carbs, soaked them, and followed my SELOC book's carb service procedure. I replaced both inlet needles. I DID NOT replace the floats, because I could not find new ones. I have no idea what bad floats look like, but these guys are orange plastic with a rough surface. Spark plugs are brand new. Did a compression test and all was OK there. I've fiddled with the idle/mix screws, backing them out various distances from lightly seated. Nothing seems to help.

"The Problem" will not go away and it's making me so frustrated. Questions: how can the motor run so well when it's cold then so miserably once it's warmed up? Am I on the right track by believing it's a fuel delivery problem? Should I replace the carb floats (if I can find some new ones somewhere)?

Thank you for reading this and I would LOVE some input or ideas.
 

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I'm not a Mercury expert, but just wondering if you have checked the crankcase vacuum line(s) that run the fuel pump. I am wondering if the fitting at the crankcase or the lines themselves are gunked-up and getting clogged by crankcase oil, etc.

2 carbs on this motor, right?
 

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One of 2 things: 1) you have a float problem in a carb that's causing a flooding issue. When this happens does it smoke bad,smell like fuel or have a sheen in the water?? 2) Heat soak vapor lock problem... How old is water pump? Try running with wrap around removed and see it it does it. If it don't do it there is a TSB on drilling check valve in fuel pump
 

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I'm not a Mercury expert, but just wondering if you have checked the crankcase vacuum line(s) that run the fuel pump. I am wondering if the fitting at the crankcase or the lines themselves are gunked-up and getting clogged by crankcase oil, etc.

2 carbs on this motor, right?


Two carbs, yes sir. And by "vacuum lines that run the fuel pump", do you mean the length of fuel line that runs from the engine-side fitting to the fuel pump? I didn't think of that. I'll check it and replace it. That might explain why the primer bulb goes super-soft. (Or is it normal for the bulb to go soft after running a bit? I honestly don't know. I would think it would stay firm at least for a few hours) Thanks for the idea.
 

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One of 2 things: 1) you have a float problem in a carb that's causing a flooding issue. When this happens does it smoke bad,smell like fuel or have a sheen in the water?? 2) Heat soak vapor lock problem... How old is water pump? Try running with wrap around removed and see it it does it. If it don't do it there is a TSB on drilling check valve in fuel pump


It does smoke noticeably during "The Problem", yes. Does that point to a problem with the floats? And I've never heard of 'heat soak vapor lock'. I have to do some reading on that. What is the cause/cure for that? Thank you for the reply.
 

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Sure sounds like too much fuel and the floats do come into play with that scenario. I would replace the floats. If that isn't your problem, at least you rule them out. But the way you explained their color and finish, I would lean that way first. The reason it seems more problematic at lower speeds is because as the fuel level is too high it is easier to flood the idle circuits then when running high speed. JMHO
 

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I feel for you.

Could be nothing but, just going by the intermittent nature of the problem, I would not be ruling out a heat related electrical problem.
Have you checked for a good quality spark when the engine is hot and refusing to co-operate?
 

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Sure sounds like too much fuel and the floats do come into play with that scenario. I would replace the floats. If that isn't your problem, at least you rule them out. But the way you explained their color and finish, I would lean that way first. The reason it seems more problematic at lower speeds is because as the fuel level is too high it is easier to flood the idle circuits then when running high speed. JMHO

Thank you for the reply. I'm going to replace the floats, now that I'm an "expert" on removing the carbs (ha) and my parts store can special-order them. Fingers crossed.
 

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Just wondering . . . if you use the boat/run the engine continuously without stopping for a longer duration than what you described, will the engine eventually develop "the Problem" . . . or will it keep on running well? Is it a matter of being shut off for a while and then re-started?
 

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Just wondering . . . if you use the boat/run the engine continuously without stopping for a longer duration than what you described, will the engine eventually develop "the Problem" . . . or will it keep on running well? Is it a matter of being shut off for a while and then re-started?


Definitely the latter. It will run well until the first time I shut it off. Most of the time that works out to about 45-60 minutes because that's how long I'll run from the ramp to my regular spot to fish or goof off. I know what you're asking, but I don't run longer than that at first often enough to answer.

I ordered new floats and needle/seats today. They'll be here next week. Hoping that fixes things.

Oh, and I found an image of what my floats look like right now. This is not my video, but some guy's tutorial about carb service. Should my floats look like this? Rough and dark orange like this? And should they feel solid, or light like a feather? (Because mine feel pretty dense, like they're made of hard foam)

https://youtu.be/OBEzWLBAtjU?t=277

Thank you!
 

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If you removed the floats and they felt heavy, they are fuel soaked and that is one of your problems. You could see if they float in some gas in a small container to see if they float. JMHO
 

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Two carbs, yes sir. And by "vacuum lines that run the fuel pump", do you mean the length of fuel line that runs from the engine-side fitting to the fuel pump? I didn't think of that. I'll check it and replace it. That might explain why the primer bulb goes super-soft. (Or is it normal for the bulb to go soft after running a bit? I honestly don't know. I would think it would stay firm at least for a few hours) Thanks for the idea.

​Your primer bulb will lose some of it's stiffness but for sure should not be "super-soft". Supersoft / collapsed would indicate a blockage upstream of the bulb. So check the strainer inside the tank is not clogged and also check the fuel tank vent is venting properly.
 

DJ_Allatoona

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​Your primer bulb will lose some of it's stiffness but for sure should not be "super-soft". Supersoft / collapsed would indicate a blockage upstream of the bulb. So check the strainer inside the tank is not clogged and also check the fuel tank vent is venting properly.


Thanks, yes: the bulb isn't 'collapsed' like you describe (I've had that issue before with a poorly venting tank) but when my "problem" is occurring, the bulb feels soft like it's not been primed that day. Like at cold starting time. Thanks for confirming my suspicion that it should stay somewhat firm. Another bugaboo from this motor.
 

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If you removed the floats and they felt heavy, they are fuel soaked and that is one of your problems. You could see if they float in some gas in a small container to see if they float. JMHO


I didn't remove them because I didn't have a tool small enough to push the little pins out that hold them in. I just kind of fiddled with them, and they weren't light and "floaty" like they were hollow, like a ping-pong ball. They felt like solid plastic. Hard to describe. I ordered new OEM and they shipped today. Will install them ASAP.
 

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I didn't remove them because I didn't have a tool small enough to push the little pins out that hold them in. I just kind of fiddled with them, and they weren't light and "floaty" like they were hollow, like a ping-pong ball. They felt like solid plastic. Hard to describe. I ordered new OEM and they shipped today. Will install them ASAP.

You can use a paper clip straighten out some to push those float pins out. They are not really hard to slide out. JMHO
 

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Resolution: new floats did the trick. Running/idling/starting great

Bravo sir, bravo. Always great to hear what fixes a problem. That way others can use this to help them out. You are not the first person to have fuel-soaked floats and certainly won't be the last. But others will find this thread quite interesting and look at their floats a lot closer now. :thumb:
 
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