vhf radio

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I am a newbie to boating and only boat on a lake were land is always visible. The marina told me that I should have a VHF radio onboard for emergencies. I always thought that a cell phone would be sufficient but the marina said that help is always readily available on Channel 16 on the VHF radio. Therefore, it appears that a VHF radio is needed. Should I just get a portable handheld or should I install a permanent vhf radio in the boat. I only have a 20 foot boat.<br /><br />This forum will make a boater out of me yet.
 

Bob_VT

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The handheld will work fine and you can get waterproffed models. The cell phone is a good idea providing you know where to call...who to call. The VHF marine will go to other boaters, marinas and some water police.<br /><br />In the unlikely event the boat goes under using a permanent mount is unlikely.<br /><br />Bob
 

SeaHorse

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Install the base type 25 watt radio with an 8 foot antenna. You should be able to call another boat up to 12 miles away. A handheld will go maybe 2 miles.
 

phatmanmike

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permanant ones are cheaper and go further. nuff said. i got mine at westmarine.com for 129 including antennae(sp) after rebates. waterproof and removable at end of day so nobody steals it from me. antannae and wires simply"unplug" when done.<br /><br />here is a link to the one i have...<br /> http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wc...=657&subdeptNum=64&storeNum=3&productId=82045 <br /><br />works great, buttons are laid out nicely and is easy to work while driving.simple and clean
 

eeboater

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My boat will NEVER touch water without a VHF on board. You are WAY too vulnerable out there without the ability to call for help. It actually kind of scares me at the number of boats I see without a VHF. <br /><br />I've heard the bad thing about a hand held is the fact it is hand held. Sounds too easy to lose overboard to me. <br /><br />Sean
 

gsbodine

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Originally posted by eeboater:<br /> I've heard the bad thing about a hand held is the fact it is hand held. Sounds too easy to lose overboard to me.
As someone mentioned above, range is the real limiting factor for them, which is probably not so much an issue on a small lake where the traffic is more concentrated than on the open water. <br /><br />Also, many of the handhelds float and are waterproof for some period of time. At least long enough for you to fish it out, I would imagine :D .
 

WSUDERMAN

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We went with a handheld Icom. Mainly because the lakes we boat on are not that big. We had to use it once on Lake Powell and it worked fine. I had to swim to shore and climb up to the top of a cliff though... We were 4 miles from the marina at the time. <br />I would recomend that you base your decision on where you boat. If I boated on Lake Powell or any large lakes regularly i would go with a mounted unit. But thats only once a year for us.
 

BillP

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VHF is strickly line of sight communications. I don't know what the maximum range is for a 25w VHF but have communicated with the Coast Guard approx 45 miles away (Bimini to Miami). Skipping VHF signals happen but is so rare it isn't considered as an option. Power in watts supports how far it will "loop". Handhelds are usually 5 watts max and larger radios 25 watts max. However, a 25 watt radio with too short of an antenna won't do much good either if it can't "see" the receiving tower or radio. You may want to check your boating area and ask around local marinas on which works best for your location. <br /><br />The disadvantages of using a cell phone are those already posted. Local boaters and marinas won't hear your call and be able to respond quickly. Time could be a safety factor. <br /><br />As a side story, my ob motor died approx 20 miles out of Marathon in the Fl Keys. My vhf suddenly decided to quit working and my cell phone didn't lock on a tower. I had a cb aboard and skipped out about 100 miles to a trucker on I-95 in Miami. He called friends in Marathon for me and they came out and towed us in.
 

18rabbit

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Originally posted by wildcat1:<br /> This forum will make a boater out of me yet.
Wildcat1 – such a brave Cadet that you are, we will make you into a boater, whether you want it or not.<br />Have you experienced keelhauling yet? :D :D :D <br /><br />You can kind of wedge yourself in between the best of both worlds with the proper handheld VHF. Many models have watertight covers over a power/battery charger port and an external antenna port. They come with a little 8-in, removable rubber antenna. You get the advantages of being able to use an optional external antenna mounted higher (greater broadcast distance) and the constant power from your boat’s battery. In the event of a total loss of boat power, the radio will continue to work for a few of days on its own internal lithium ion battery. Some models are submersible and some are not. Disadvantage: handheld VHF is limited to (I think) 5watts broadcast power where fixed mount is limited to 25watts, and the full retail cost of these handhelds is only a little less than a fixed-mount VHF.<br /><br />If you decide on a handheld VHF, buy this and be done with it. When you get some extra cash, you may decide to buy an external antenna.<br /><br /> http://www.iboats.com/mall/index.cg...electronic>standard horizon&*******=247297446 <br /><br />If you decide on getting a fixed mount VHF, you can’t go wrong with any of the ICOM units…and you get to buy that antenna before you can use the VHF.
 

JasonJ

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I have a fixed mount unit, it is a godsend on my 45,000 square acre lake. It is handy listening to others talking about where the fishing is good that day, although more and more people are talking in some sort of code, referencing pre-marked areas they have plotted on GPS. Kinda frustrating, but it doesn't take rocket science, if I see 20 boats trolling in one area, its a fairly safe bet that is where fish are hitting that day....<br /><br />Can't count on a cell phone on my lake, a lot of dead areas. The only boats I see with vhf antennas are fishing boats, and the Sheriffs boats of course.
 
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It definitely sounds like the fixed mount Icom VHF radio is the way to go. What antenna should I use and how hard is the installation for the radio and antenna?<br /><br />Thanks for all the advice.
 

phatmanmike

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i installed my VHF, antanae, and antannae mount in under an hour and was testing from the driveway to see if i could hear anybody... which i could.<br /><br />remember, the antanae is useles without the mount.
 

ThomWV

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Get the fixed mount. Get an ICOM. Use an antenna by Digital Antennas. If you want a hand held get one by Standard Horizon. If you buy a hand held spend the extra $3 for an adaptor to connect the hand held to a tall fixed antenna. Be safe. Oh, VHF FM signals do not "Skip" any time any way. Occasionally they are effected by something called Atmospheric Ducting, but don't ever count on it when you are in trouble. The maximum range of marine VHF radios has almost nothing to do with output power, its almost all antenna height. There is a simple formula for determining the maximum range that two of these radios can communicate over, its one hell of a lot shorter a distance than most people think.<br /><br /><br />Thom
 

Boatin Bob

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Another plus for the VHF that I don't think anyone mentioned was the ability to listen to the weather and coast guard channels for the latest info on weather and sometimes missing markers, floating logs, etc.
 

BillP

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Originally posted by ThomWV:<br /> Get the fixed mount. Get an ICOM. Use an antenna by Digital Antennas. If you want a hand held get one by Standard Horizon. If you buy a hand held spend the extra $3 for an adaptor to connect the hand held to a tall fixed antenna. Be safe. Oh, VHF FM signals do not "Skip" any time any way. Occasionally they are effected by something called Atmospheric Ducting, but don't ever count on it when you are in trouble. The maximum range of marine VHF radios has almost nothing to do with output power, its almost all antenna height. There is a simple formula for determining the maximum range that two of these radios can communicate over, its one hell of a lot shorter a distance than most people think.<br /><br /><br />Thom
Thom,<br />From your post some may think they can put a tall antenna on a 5w radio and get almost the same range as the 25w. I've used vhf on boats since the early 60s and never had my low watts get out far. <br /><br />For us boaters when selecting a vhf radio...range is done by higher watts and short range with lower watts. Boaters can find out how high the closest USCG tower is to them and calculate distance required. Miami USCG used to be 350' when I checked. <br /><br />I used skipping generically because I though everyone would understand the problem better. In case anyone doesn't know what atmospheric ducking is...it is the bending of the signal instead of skipping. It's happened only once to me in 40+ yrs with vhf.
 

agrazela

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Good call on the fixed mount there, wildcat1.<br /><br />I consider the handheld to be a bit like those mini "donut" spare tires they put in cars these days...would you really choose that if you had the option of a full-sized spare?
 

starrider_68

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here is a question for you. I am also trying to "get back" to boating now that I am in Illinois, but have never had the need to use or have ever used a VHF raido. I have used c.b. and sattelite recivers... but havent the first clue as to the proper"ediquite" on a VHF. where can I get some info on this and what channels can be used...the USCG that patrols this end of the miss. says that I have to have one to be able to use the lock and dam system along the river...HELP...I am soo lost!
 

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So many questions, so little time. <br /><br />Picked this up off of the U.S. Coastguard website.<br /><br /><br />Radio Watchkeeping Regulations<br />If you have a VHF-FM radio, there are certain regulations in place for monitoring/listening to your radio. Please read our radio watchkeeping section for more information. <br /><br />Mayday! Mayday! Mayday!...Sending a distress call<br />You may only have seconds to send a distress call. Here's what you should do:<br /><br />Transmit, in this order: <br /><br />If you have an MF/HF radiotelephone tuned to 2182 kHz, send the radiotelephone alarm signal if one is available. If you have a VHF marine radio, tune it to channel 16. Unless you know you are outside VHF range of shore and ships, call on channel 16 first. <br />Distress signal "MAYDAY", spoken three times. <br />The words "THIS IS", spoken once. <br />Name of vessel in distress (spoken three times) and call sign or boat registration number, spoken once. <br />Repeat "MAYDAY" and name of vessel, spoken once. <br />Give position of vessel by latitude or longitude or by bearing (true or magnetic, state which) and distance to a well-know landmark such as a navigational aid or small island, or in any terms which will assist a responding station in locating the vessel in distress. Include any information on vessel movement such as course, speed and destination. <br />Nature of distress (sinking, fire etc.). <br />Kind of assistance desired. <br />Number of persons onboard. <br />Any other information which might facilitate rescue, such as length or tonnage of vessel, number of persons needing medical attention, color hull, cabin, masks, etc. <br />The word "OVER" <br />Stay by the radio if possible. Even after the message has been received, the Coast Guard can find you more quickly if you can transmit a signal on which a rescue boat or aircraft can home. <br /><br />For example:<br />MAYDAY-MAYDAY-MAYDAY<br />THIS IS BLUE DUCK-BLUE DUCK-BLUE DUCK WA1234<br />CAPE HENRY LIGHT BEARS 185 DEGREES MAGNETIC-DISTANCE 2 MILES<br />STRUCK SUBMERGED OBJECT<br />NEED PUMPS-MEDICAL ASSISTANCE AND TOW<br />THREE ADULTS, TWO CHILDREN ONBOARD<br />ONE PERSON COMPOUND FRACTURE OF ARM<br />ESTIMATE CAN REMAIN AFLOAT TWO HOURS<br />BLUE DUCK IS THIRTY TWO FOOT CABIN CRUISER-WHITE HULL-BLUE DECK HOUSE<br />OVER<br /><br /><br />Repeat at intervals until an answer is received. <br /><br />If you hear a distress call...<br />If you hear a distress message from a vessel and it is not answered, then you must answer. If you are reasonably sure that the distressed vessel is not in your vicinity, you should wait a short time for others to acknowledge.<br /><br />MF/HF Radiotelephone<br />Your VHF radio is intended mainly for short range communications, generally 5-10 miles, and at least 20 miles to a USCG station. To communicate at longer ranges, you will normally need a satellite telephone or an MF/HF marine radiotelephone. Marine radiotelephone equipment normally operates between 2 - 26 MHz using single sideband emissions. MF/HF marine radiotelephones can also be used to receive high seas weather broadcasts, and by using a computer and a special interface provided by some coast stations, can provide Internet email. <br /><br />Lots more at their website. <br /> http://www.navcen.uscg.gov/marcomms/boater.htm
 
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