Volvo Penta Losing Power

johnscram

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Finnaly decided to join this forum after it has helped me out quite a bit with a 1985 bayliner capri i bought a few weeks ago. The boat has a aq125a with a 270 outdrive on it and so far after purchasing it we had a problem with it overheating and that was solved by cleaning out the cooling system and changing the impeller. I also put a new timing belt on it a few days ago. The problem im having is when you run the engine at 3500 rpms and below it will run fine for hours! but as soon as you step it up a bit to about 4500 rpms (almost wot) it will last for about 15 seconds and then suddenly lose power and sound like it is running out of gas, so i pulled the carb off yesterday and cleaned it all out completely and were still having the problem. When the egine starts to lose power it backfired once yesterday and i can hear a strange sound that sorta sounds like a loose bolt in the engine (valve chatter)? So ive deided to adjust the valves which i will take care of tomorrow! Any ideas on what could be cuasing this? and any tips on doing the valves will be appreciated too! Also i should add if you return the engine to idle for 30 seconds or so it will go right back up to WOT but to have the same problem just happen again.
 

Alpheus

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Re: Volvo Penta Losing Power

Its not the valves. The pinging sound you hear is called pre-detonation and comes from running your engine in a lean condition.(backfiring is another classic symptom) You have a fuel delivery problem. Check your filters and fuel pressure. I would suggest not running your boat at WOT until you get this fixed or you will be searching for a new engine real soon...

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=283269

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=295070
 

johnscram

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Re: Volvo Penta Losing Power

I wont be using the boat till we get this fixed, i also just replaced the filter and fuel line so does that leave the accelerator pump as the only other part that can be cuasing this? I also was lead to thinking the firing order might be off, do you think that might be an issue too? Ill check it tomorrow too.
 

Alpheus

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Re: Volvo Penta Losing Power

Accelerator pump is only used for a smooth transition from idle to higher RPMs. If your engine runs nice and smooth at idle and mid range and messes up at WOT its not your firing order. Trust me. The symptoms you are describing is a lean condition.Google the word pre-ignition or pre-detonation and it will tell you the same exact thing you are describing. Your fuel pump might be shot or your carb needs rebuilt. (not just cleaned)

To check your accelerator pump just remove the flame arrestor and look down in the carb while someone pumps the throttle. You should see fuel squirting into the carb throat.

Read the info in the links I provided. That will get you started...
 

johnscram

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Re: Volvo Penta Losing Power

Made sure the carb was thoroughly cleaned and all the gaskets are sealed properly but i may end up rebuilding it. You can see gas squirting into the carb if you pump the throttle but should i be doing this while the engine is running? I just did it while it was off. I am confident the carb is not the issue so it must be not getting enough pressure from the fuel pump at WOT.
 

Alpheus

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Re: Volvo Penta Losing Power

Are the needle and seat in your carb new? Are the floats heavy,fuel soaked and set at the correct height? Did you remove the jets and check them? Did you use new gaskets when you reassembled the carb?

If any of the answers are no or I don't know, a rebuild should be in the near future.

Checking the fuel pressure is a start in the right direction.

As for the accelerator pump. It makes no difference if the engine is running or not, you should still see fuel squirting. Just don't do it to much with the engine not running or you will flood the engine...

Good luck...

PS

Welcome to iboats...
 

johnscram

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Re: Volvo Penta Losing Power

The float did not have any holes and looked good to me! Didint know it the height had to be set? Mind giving me a lil more info on that? But as for the gaskets they were all in great shape and i cleaned out all jets and needles METICULOUSLY! i really think the pump is the issue! sorry for being a pain, i really appreciate all the help!
 

johnscram

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Re: Volvo Penta Losing Power

Rather lost as to what's happening here I tested the fuel pump today and it checks out ok for pressure and volume. I've been through the whole fuel system and everything is ok. Any other ideas would be greatly appreciated! Also should add I saw a small amount of white smoke coming out of the black tube that leads to the spark arrestor. Is this the crankcase breather tube? And is that normal?
 

Alpheus

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Re: Volvo Penta Losing Power

Checks out how?

Did you use a fuel pressure gauge?

What psi was it showing?

How did you measure volume?

Do you know what psi its supposed to have?

What carb do you have?

If you just took the fuel line off and turned the key and saw fuel shoot out that tells you nothing.

If your pump is running normal then you must find the manual for your engine/carb and make sure your floats are set right. If set the wrong way they will not allow enough fuel in to keep the carb bowls filled to the correct level.

Also you should start looking for air leaks around your carb base plate or around your intake manifold.

With the engine running shoot some starting fluid around the base of your carb and around where the intake bolts to the head. If you hear the engine rev up a bit while doing this you have an air leak. This will also cause a lean condition...
 

johnscram

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Re: Volvo Penta Losing Power

Checked it with a fuel pressure guage from napa and got a reading of 4 psi witting the spec of 3.5-4.5 tested the volume with a graduated cylinder and it pumped the amount specified about 1 pint in 30 seconds of idling! Read the manual and I see nothing about setting the float height? Can you tell me how also the carb is a solex PAI 44.
 

dingdongs

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Re: Volvo Penta Losing Power

have you tried new fresh fuel out of a remote outboard tank or similar.fuel may have lost its ooomph
 

johnscram

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Re: Volvo Penta Losing Power

Yes I may try that we put plenty of new fuel in it 2 weeks ago but maybe the previos owners gas was very stale.
 

johnscram

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Re: Volvo Penta Losing Power

Despite the fuel pump testing out ok i decided to replace it today and what do you know! Its running great now, all through the rpm ranges. Still have one problem though at slightly higher speeds it still sounds like there is a loose bolt in the valve cover. Its definitely not spark knock or pre ignition, cuase its getting fuel now and the timing is perfect! Going to try checking the valves but besides that im lost, any other ideas?
 
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