Water geting in oil, but not when running. Help with gasket replacement Merc 140 3.0

bucknutjoe

Seaman
Joined
Jul 13, 2011
Messages
71
I have a 1983 Four Winns Marquise 170 with the (GM) Mercruiser 3.0 140 hp I 4-cylinder mated to an alpha 1 outdrive. I found a dipstick that was at least 2/3 full of the entire dipstick with basically milk. I changed the oil and filter 3 times, running the engine on rabbit ears each change, and was still getting some grey oil. My neighbor, we live in a neighborhood around a lake, told me to check that the bolts on the valve cover, etc were tight. I did check those and found 3 bolts needed at least a full revolution if not a little more. One more oil change/flush with cheap oil that then came out almost all clear, so I let all that drain out, looked in the top at the pistons under the oil cap that were finally clean, so I filled with Quicksilver, and ran for 20 minutes on the ears. Everything stayed pure and clean.

At this point, I'm blown away at the happiness that I don't have water getting in. Use the boat for two days on the lake, one just putting around for a couple hours before the fireworks, the next tubing for a couple hours. Did multiple checks, and the oil was absolutely clean through it all.

Then it rained.

My bilge isn't automatic, and so it holds rainwater until I go flip the switch. I pumped it all out, and the next day ran the boat for 20 minutes before checking oil - the dipstick was as full as I'd ever seen it with milk.

I'm hoping it's just gaskets for a couple of reasons: if it was a crack, it would be happening from the water being run through the block, right? and it isn't. The boat was meticulously maintained from original purchase in 1983 by a family friend until 4 years ago. His brother took it, messed up the lower unit, and then it sat on a boat lift over water for 2-3 years, basically untouched. I was told that it was winterized, but I'm not 100% confident in that. So my thought is that the inactivity, combined with the half season of activity that I've now given it, combined with the rainwater issue that it has been exposed to since mid-May has created a problem with one of the gaskets.

How big of a job is it to replace all the gaskets in this engine. I am definitely handy, but admittedly a novice. There are gaskets at multiple levels in the engine, right? Like at the oil pan to the block, then block to head, etc?

I didn't find an existing post of how to replace the gaskets, does anyone know where I can find good directions, and hopefully pictures, for what is involved in this project start to finish? Does anyone think I'm barking up the wrong tree and want to point me in a different direction?

Please excuse the long post, just trying to get all the information out there.

I can't wait to hear your thoughts!

Joe
 

samsdad1

Recruit
Joined
Jun 21, 2011
Messages
5
Re: Water geting in oil, but not when running. Help with gasket replacement Merc 140

First of all when it rained did the water get above the dipstick? Why not pull the plug when ouit of the water to drain all rain?
 

boaterinsd

Petty Officer 1st Class
Joined
Nov 19, 2010
Messages
276
Re: Water geting in oil, but not when running. Help with gasket replacement Merc 140

First of all when it rained did the water get above the dipstick? Why not pull the plug when ouit of the water to drain all rain?

It looks like he lives on the lake does the boat comeout of the water? Do you have a lift, canopy?
 

thumpar

Admiral
Joined
Jun 21, 2007
Messages
6,138
Re: Water geting in oil, but not when running. Help with gasket replacement Merc 140

How high did the water get?
 

bucknutjoe

Seaman
Joined
Jul 13, 2011
Messages
71
Re: Water geting in oil, but not when running. Help with gasket replacement Merc 140

The boat was in the water at the neighborhood dock where I have a space. The boat's cover is currently worthless. When it is out of the water, like right now, the plug is out.

The water level, this time, got to where it was on the dilating tube, but not to the opening. The exact level was over where the positive connects from the battery, but under where the negative does. I notices that because the project I was pulling it out for was replacing that positive lead.

Guys, thanks so much for the help so far!

Joe
 

81 Checkmate

Lieutenant
Joined
Jul 20, 2010
Messages
1,360
Re: Water geting in oil, but not when running. Help with gasket replacement Merc 140

Like others. Sounds if the bilge is filling with water above the oil pan while its sitting.
Deffently need an automatic bilge pump if it is sitting in the rain on the water!
 

bucknutjoe

Seaman
Joined
Jul 13, 2011
Messages
71
Re: Water geting in oil, but not when running. Help with gasket replacement Merc 140

Like others. Sounds if the bilge is filling with water above the oil pan while its sitting.
Deffently need an automatic bilge pump if it is sitting in the rain on the water!

I see that now, and understand the importance of an auto bilge, but it isn't normal for water to infiltrate the engine if it does accumulate, is it? There must be something wrong, correct? Do you all agree that replacing gaskets is the next logical step here, or no?

Joe
 

Fishermark

Vice Admiral
Joined
Oct 19, 2003
Messages
5,617
Re: Water geting in oil, but not when running. Help with gasket replacement Merc 140

There is no way water is getting into the engine simply through some bad gaskets. And regarding the valve cover gasket you mention as being loose - if you have water up to your valve cover gasket, then you have bigger problems than water in the oil. :eek:

What shape is your manifold and riser in?
 

bucknutjoe

Seaman
Joined
Jul 13, 2011
Messages
71
Re: Water geting in oil, but not when running. Help with gasket replacement Merc 140

The manifold and riser appear to be in fine condition, from outer appearance. Is that what you were referring to?

I was not trying to insinuate that water ever got as high as the valve cover, but I wanted to mention it, because it is how it happened, regardless of how silly it seems.

Joe
 

airshot

Vice Admiral
Joined
Jul 22, 2008
Messages
5,366
Re: Water geting in oil, but not when running. Help with gasket replacement Merc 140

First off, get the auto bilge switch, less than ten bucks!! If water is seeping into the engine then in all probability something such as oil is probably leaking out, check for leaks, where you find leaks comming out of the engine might be where water is getting in. Good Luck

Airshot
 

stonyloam

Vice Admiral
Joined
Mar 13, 2009
Messages
5,827
Re: Water geting in oil, but not when running. Help with gasket replacement Merc 140

I was not trying to insinuate that water ever got as high as the valve cover, but I wanted to mention it, because it is how it happened, regardless of how silly it seems.

Are you saying you think water came in through the valve cover. How much oil was leaking out from under the valve cover? If it was not leaking out I would think it is very unlikely water would leak in. By the way, isn't the engine covered by a housing? Same for the pan gasket, if it was not leaking out, don' t see how water can leak in. Did you check the oil after you were finished running it. Hate to tell you this but the oil will not turn milky unless the water was in there when the engine was running. If it just leaked in you would have clear water with clear oil sitting on top.
 

bucknutjoe

Seaman
Joined
Jul 13, 2011
Messages
71
Re: Water geting in oil, but not when running. Help with gasket replacement Merc 140

Wow, that switch is in the $10 range? I thought I had to put in more like 75-100 for a new auto pump!

Back to the entry point of the water. I have no thought that the valve cover gasket is where it occurs, no water ever got that high. I do think that the oil pan could be the culprit.

In terms of oil leakage, there isn't any. I checked the oil multiple times during and after the two days of operation over the holiday weekend, and the oil was clean and golden throughout. I forgot to check the oil before starting the boat after pumping out the bilge, but 15-20 minutes into running the boat, the day after the bilge was flooded, I had milk.
 

stonyloam

Vice Admiral
Joined
Mar 13, 2009
Messages
5,827
Re: Water geting in oil, but not when running. Help with gasket replacement Merc 140

OK, so you don't know where the water came from. I would suggest, forget the gaskets, as long as you are not leaking oil out, you do not have a problem. Change the oil, keep the bilge dry and check the oil before you start and after you run every time and you should be OK. If the oil turns milky again then start worrying. Enjoy the summer;).
 

bucknutjoe

Seaman
Joined
Jul 13, 2011
Messages
71
Re: Water geting in oil, but not when running. Help with gasket replacement Merc 140

I'm all kinds of wrong now.

Running boat on ears in tge driveway, I've found a leak, and what I'm hoping is some sort of overflow, but I'm in need of help identifying this.

I'm starting a new thread since I've basically got a new set of issues now.
 
Top