Water in my Alpha 1 Gen 1 outdrive

JPTL

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After pulling my boat for the winter I hooked up the muffs/hose and ran fresh water through the engine for a couple of minutes as I always do. This time however, I opened up the hose faucet more than usual which ran more water - at a higher pressure than usual, at the intake on the outdrive. The reason that I put more water pressure at the intake is because I was experiencing overheating when on the water, and assume that I have a bad impeller. My thought was by adding pressure to the intake, it would help the bad impeller circulate the water through the block.
I drained the oil in the outdrive in preparation for pulling the drive. I was surprised to see a gush of what appeared to be clear water come out of the bottom drain plug. It eventually turned greenish gray....not milky white. I completely drained it. I'm still at a loss as to why the water came out first (as if it was on the bottom of the outdrive). I'd think that the water would either be mixed in with the oil, or would come out last from sitting on top of the oil - water being lighter than oil.

How is water getting into my outdrive?
I've read that fishing line can wrap around the prop shaft and migrate to the seal; compromising the seal and allowing water to get in. Assuming that's not the case here, and assuming that my drain plug and vent plug gaskets are good (both are in place) how is this water getting in?
Could the pressure at the muffs be compromising a seal at the water intake, thus allowing water to get inside the outdrive?
One other thing: the trim tab has deteriorated so much that the bottom has been eaten away & the hollow casting is visible from the outside, looking up. There's no doubt that water is getting inside the trim tab casting, but since I haven't yet split the upper and lower units, I don't know if there's a way for water to seep in through the trim tab. At first I assumed that the trim tab was a completely external component, but since there's apparently a bolt securing the trim tab that goes through both castings (http://www.mercstuff.com/waterpumpinst.htm), I assume that there's some kind of water seal related to the trim tab. If water is getting inside the trim tab casting, could it be getting past the gaskets?
My boat and outdrive are at my summer house in Maine - 600 miles from my winter home. I'd like to have everything I need with me when I get up there so that I can get right to fixing this problem. I'm going to have to split the upper & lower as I'm putting in a new impeller. Aside from the new trim tab, what else should I replace as a measure of standard maintenance/replacement items when pulling/splitting an outdrive.
Thanks in advance.
 

FreeBeeTony

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Re: Water in my Alpha 1 Gen 1 outdrive

oil is lighter than water............
 

Pikey23

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Re: Water in my Alpha 1 Gen 1 outdrive

it is ok if water gets into the trim tab area. The oil is in a separate "system". There is a small o-ring that seals the oil channel between the upper and lower units. There is a seal that is on the shaft under the water pump assembly. If that seal is bad it lets water into the oil. My seal had worn a groove in the shaft and it would no longer seal, so I had to replace the shaft also. If you were overheating chances are that you need to replace the entire impeller housing and maybe the water pocket cover assembly in the upper unit , they tend to bubble up and melt when they get hot.
 

JPTL

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Re: Water in my Alpha 1 Gen 1 outdrive

oil is lighter than water............
My bad. I'm still wondering why the water was more clear than mixed with the oil, though.
I'm guessing compromised washers/o-rings/seals at the water pump assembly like Pikey suggests.
It would make sense that pressure from the muffs would force water past those tired seals at the pump whereas the lack of pressure during operation in the water wouldn't.
After hauling the boat, I hooked up the muffs but only ran the engine in neutral. I then shut off the engine, & put the selector in forward to be able to pull the outdrive. Water coming in, going to the bottom ( ;) ) but not mixing with the oil during out-of-water operation in neutral only would explain why the water was relatively clear & hadn't mixed with the gear oil.

So considering that I haven't yet had a look at the water pump and related seals/housing, I should spring for everything water pump related to be on the safe side. I'm assuming something like #2120 in the schematic shown @ http://www.mercstuff.com/page02.htm. It appears that comes with the base & seals as well as the housing. Make sense? Is the 'water pocket cover assembly' that you describe something not included in this kit?
 

JPTL

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Re: Water in my Alpha 1 Gen 1 outdrive

Thanks. Probably a good thing to have on hand if mine is in need of replacement.
 

John3

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Re: Water in my Alpha 1 Gen 1 outdrive

I drained the oil in the outdrive in preparation for pulling the drive. I was surprised to see a gush of what appeared to be clear water come out of the bottom drain plug. It eventually turned greenish gray....not milky white.

Sounds like most of the Oil drained out & was replaced by water. That could be the cause of your overheating. You need to get a pressure check done on the OD. Drain any Water/Oil left & & take the OD to a mechanic who has the proper adapter to pressurize it. It should hold 15 PSI without a pressure drop for 20 minutes.
 
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