Waterflow after Waterpump has issues!

mhelgeson

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Hello everyone, This is my first post and fairly new to Marine Engines, so please be gentle! :D <br /><br />Received a nice 24' Wellcraft Airslot a few months ago and it had a 1988 Johnson 200. The guy I bought it from said it was a "low water pressure system". While running at idle, it had a little more than a trickle of water, was steady, but not a stream like I usually see. I replaced the entire Water Pump, 100%. Everything went perfectly and went together great. I ran it and got not much more water pressure than before (out tell tail). <br /><br />BUT (the famous BUT), the mid section seemed to fill with water, like the water was filling the mid section instead of going into the engine? I insured the rubber piece that gives a good fit to the water tube in the mid section was installed correctly and did not come loose. Where else could I get water backed into the mid section from?<br /><br />I also replaced both T/Stats (does this effect the flow of water prior to warming up?<br /><br />Idea's I was going to try (hoping someone can give me a pecking order of what I should try first)<br /><br />1. Take out the T/Stats and try to force water back through the system (how effective is this when the pump is still attached to the motor? Do I need to drop the bottom section prior to backflushing?)<br />2. Running the motor for more than just a minute or so and see what happens (deathly afraid of damaging the engine, not something I really want to do).<br />3. dissasemble the mid section and see if there are any issues inside?<br />4. Dropping the bottom section, installing a hose (water hose) to the mid Section Water tube, and forcing water up through the system (with t/stat and housing off) to see if I get 100% flow out the engine?<br /><br />Any advice/help will be great. Thanks
 

Dhadley

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Re: Waterflow after Waterpump has issues!

Those dont have a real strong flow from the indicator like the crossflows but lets look at some other things.<br /><br />Loopers have a very large water cavity in the block. It takes a while for it to fill. The indicator doesnt flow right away, it may take a few seconds. Make sure the temp alarm works and try it again. <br /><br />Low pressure on the gauge? Where is the gauge picking up the pressure?
 

Dhadley

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Never mind on the pick up location. Went to your pics and its in the right spot. Great job with the pics. Nice bracket.
 

DHPMARINE

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LostNorseman<br />I answered you elsewhere earlier but want to address a lot of concerns here on the boards about water flow,and expected water flow.<br />I work on a lot of engines,and kind of know what to see as far as exhaust/water,especially on a hose.If you apply water to your outboard,water can take 2-4 minutes to spray out.If you have a 18 horse Merc (I know,wrong board) and it's 35 out you won't see a tell tale.the thermostat won't open.<br /> OMC/BRP and other sources sell wax sticks that melt at certain temps.You apply it to the head,thermostat housing,etc.If the 163 wax melts,you are too hot,shut it off.If the 143 doesn't melt,too cold. <br /> I think everyone should be sure there is a problem then try to fix it.And I know if the boat is new to you,you have to find out.<br /><br />DHP
 

mhelgeson

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Hmmm, the Heads do seem to be hot, but what is hot to me and hot to the motor is most likely different. Is it normal for the Mid-section to have water build up from rabit ears on a water hose? When I was running the motor, I had a gush of water coming out of the Mid Section Mount Plates (Plates on each side with 4 bolts that cover the mounts going to the transom), is this normal?<br /><br />I like the temp/wax thing, but I know I don't have access to stuff like that. I have a temp gauge, but even when the engine was hot, the gauge didn't have a reading, so I am to assume it's not working (Boat origionally had an I/O - see website). I'll see about picking up a Temp Reader of some sort that will work on the engine heads.<br /><br />What about the constant posts concerning "Drilling a hole on the edge of the T/Stat"? Should I, is it necessary, good idea?<br /><br />I'll backwash the system anyways (since it's new to me, can't hurt) then start it up. I'll take pictures of the key spots it's flowing out of and the level of tell tail that is present.<br /><br />I guess I am just gun shy because my old 1996 Suzuki 30hp had a steady hard stream within a few seconds of start-up.
 

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While working on a cooling problem I found that the two small hoses that connect to the back of the block (Not the T-stat housings) were pluged. I went from a simmlar drizzel to a good flow. This was on a 1991 225 looper.<br /><br />Mac
 

mhelgeson

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I'll pull them and check them v12mac, thanks
 

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Lost....when running on ears, it's normal for water to at times come out between the mating line of the lower unit and midsection. You are, after all, applying water under pressure to the lower unit. Normally, in the water, this wouldn't happen.<br /><br />Engine Temp.....you can do a "touch" test which is accurate. Run the engine on muffs for a while at idle....during this time, keep touching the flat area on top of the block just infront of the heads. When the engine is up to temp at idle, you should be able to lay your fingers on that flat place for several seconds before having to remove them. This equates to 140 to 145* F. If your t-stats are OK, this is what you should have after idling for several minutes.
 

mhelgeson

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OK, I'll give it a check.<br /><br />Just out of curiosity, will the flow out the pee-tube change with temperature? Just curious.<br /><br />I ordered the Johnson Service Manuals today, hoping that will shed some light on issues too.
 

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I think you are on the right track & have gotten excellent advice so far. Your maunal has a diagram of the water flow which may help. I kinda think you are OK but need to do the stuff suggested above. If you do have a blockage you may have to pull the heads (not a big deal) to inspect for crud. If so check/replace the rubber deflectors in the water passages. Your manual will show you what to do.
 

mhelgeson

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Rubber deflectors, are those next to the flux copaciter? Or maybe near the linear do-hicky? lol.. Everytime I think I grasp the terminology and parts associated with my engine, something new is thrown into the mix... I have a headache now.. where's the asprin!<br /><br />Thanks guys, when the manual get's here, trust me, I'll be reading that more than the magazines with my future wife in them... I mean... nevermind :)
 

Dhadley

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Open deck loopers (your motor) do not have the deflectors like a crossflow does.
 

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Did you insure that you have the correct waterpump kit?
 

mhelgeson

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Absolutely, it was an identical match to what was already installed and everything fit perfectly.
 

Dhadley

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Clanton -- where ya been??<br /><br />Lost, did you put the flat O ring in the upper groove of the housing before you put the cup (liner) in?
 

mhelgeson

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Yup, and had to use some Marine Grease to help hold it in when I put it together. I don't think that o-ring was my favorite part of the pump replacement.
 

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What was the part number of the water pump kit that was installed?
 

Dhadley

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Grease is not a good choice. Did you make sure the small "channel" was not blocked with grease?<br /><br />You mentioned low pressure at idle. Exactly what readings are you getting?
 

mhelgeson

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Don't remember the Part#, but everything I took off was directly matched to the parts installed and everything was a 100% match (habit, I am a Helicopter Mechanic with the US Army).<br /><br />"grease is not a good choice."? The manual said that using a silicone based grease to hold the o-ring in place not only made installation easier, but helped protect the ring from rot/corrosion from saltwater.<br /><br />I only used enough greese to assit the installation, there was no extra and none in the channel to the side, I kept that 100% dry.<br /><br />Low pressure is not being measures directly, I am referring to the output from the tell tail. My Suzuki 30hp would have a stream coming out about 2-3 feet and was a good strong steady stream. The 200hp Johnson comes out about 1 inch and looks no more than a slow flow. Thankfully there is a constant flow, but it's just barely coming out like there is no pressure behind it at all.
 

Dhadley

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I have a feeling everything is OK but it just needs more time to fill up the cavity. On those loopers there isnt a lot of pressure behind the indicator stream. <br /><br />If the warning horn works then I'd just try it again and manually monitor the temp.
 
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