What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

dragracer

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I've have been putting off winterizing because I have had so much other crap going on this last week. I did not realize it, but the last two nights/mornings it has gotten down around 30°. I have not had a chance to check the boat yet but I'm just scared that I may find some damage. It has been in my garage and I'm hoping just being inside was enough to keep it from freezing up. How long does it take to freeze up...anyone know?? Anyone got any opinion on it?? :confused: :(
 

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Re: What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

depends on how cold your garage is really, doesn't it? It's probably ok, though. Length to freeze has many factors.
 

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Re: What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

Not to be rude,,,,but the time it takes to log on the net would a good time to loosen the drain plugs and start draining the thing. you didn't say if it's an OB or a sterndrive.however, I dought it's ruined yet. But times awastin........
 

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Re: What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

It's a Mercruiser 4.3 I/O...<br /><br />Not to be rude, but I was just asking. Like I said, I just have not had time!! It would already be done if I did have the time. I won't go into any details, but let's just say my health is not what it once was. Sometimes there's just too much going on in a person's life to worry/think about a boat. NOT DIEING is slightly more important than a boat as far as I'm concerned. Going to work and sleeping are fairly important also. This is very high priority as of yesterday and I WILL do it tonight if it takes me half the night. Not asking for any advice at this point...If the damage is done, it's done. I was just wondering if anyone had any idea of how cold and/or how long it would take to freeze a block up solid and cause it to break. Just hoping a few hours at around the freezing mark inside my garage was not enough to do it. :( Guess I'll find out tonight.
 

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Re: What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

It takes several hours at below freezing temps for the block or manifolds to freeze. Not to worry. But, Get 'Er Done!
 

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You should be OK, but don't wait the whole procedure takes less than 1/2 hour....JK
 

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Re: What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

Dont forget to lower your out drive if it is not already down they hold alot more water than most think and they should be down when storing boat on trailer anyway. Good luck and if garaged it should be ok.
 

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Re: What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

Yeah I think it's still "up". Thanks for reminding me MRS. Better drain/change the grease in the lower unit too. :) <br /><br />Thanks all. Sounds like it's more than likely gonna be ok when I winterize it tonight. <br /><br />One more small question....Last year I used 'Marvel Mystery Oil" to fog it with since that's all I had at the time. Is that stuff good, or should I go find some "real" fogging oil??
 

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MMM is good enough......JK
 

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Re: What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

You should be all set. It takes a little more then 30* for a couple hours to break a block. I wont be doing mine until we get that cold.
 

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DR ,I dont think you have anything to worry about.It take more of a hard freeze to break anything and even inside an unheated garage you stand a better chance than outside.Marvel is an excellent choice for fogging oil.Charlie
 

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Re: What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

I Agree with everybody,.......<br /><br />My Mentor always said that it takes 6 hours at 28*s to Crack a Block,............<br /><br />I've never tried to confirm this though...........<br /><br />And,.... It's Marvels that was the 1st for Upper Cylinder Lubrication,................ ;) <br /><br />I buy the stuff by the Gallon at NAPA...........
 

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Marvels I always run in my fuel tank (diesel) when I had gas motor 350 chevy ran also got 300,000 out of last gas motor. I never thought about running in boat motor but I think I will start hope everything with your boat works out good let us know....... :) P.S. Bondo isnt NAPA Great$$$$$$
 
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Re: What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

A thermometer and a glass of water by the boat tells me if I need to put a small space heater in the boat for the night.(Try to extend that salmon fishing as long as possible in the milder NW). It takes but 5-10 minutes to drain/blow the water out of a V-8 and it's manifolds.
 

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Re: What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

Well I'm 99% sure everything is ok with the boat. There was no moisture anywhere when I looked at the engine and rear area of the boat itself. Fogged it, drained it, filled with RV anti-freeze. Took the plugs out of the lower unit to let it drain overnight and will refill tonight. That lube is really thick when it's cold. <br /><br />I was a little freaked out at one point when I heard "liquid" running out the back of the boat while I was pouring the anti-freeze in. After I filled the engine to the top of the manifold, I was pouring Anti-freeze into one of the big hoses that connects to the front/top of the water neck on top of the intake manifold(just above the thermostat). The "liquid" was not running out the boat's drain plug...it was running out of the lower unit(exhaust holes?) on each side. I guess I was pouring the anti-freeze into the exhaust manifold and it was just running on through and right out the back of the outdrive. Can anyone confirm that's what was going on?? I sure as he|| hope so!!
 

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Re: What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

All is ok with the AF running out the back.Thats where it goes when you are full.Charlie
 

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Re: What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

Originally posted by DragRacer:<br />I was a little freaked out at one point when I heard "liquid" running out the back of the boat while I was pouring the anti-freeze in. After I filled the engine to the top of the manifold, I was pouring Anti-freeze into one of the big hoses that connects to the front/top of the water neck on top of the intake manifold(just above the thermostat). The "liquid" was not running out the boat's drain plug...it was running out of the lower unit(exhaust holes?) on each side. I guess I was pouring the anti-freeze into the exhaust manifold and it was just running on through and right out the back of the outdrive. Can anyone confirm that's what was going on?? I sure as he|| hope so!!
You are simply running the AF out the mans. But I do have a question ferya. Don't know how you did it, but if you drained the block, drained the manifold, and pulled the lower circulating pump hose, all water should be out. Now, if you button up, and you don't get a SIGNIFICANT amount of AF in the motor (should hold a few gallons-V-8's hold over 5-6 or more gallons) before it starts running out the mans, its because the thermostat is closed, and all your doing is pouring AF into the stat housing, and out the man and riser. Some will leak into the block, but very little. You don't say where the boat is (or fresh or salt-this stuff IS IMPORTANT for good answers), but draining and leaving just air in the block will cause zero problems. But if you say you filled the block to the nmanifold, OK. But it should have held a few gallons.
 

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Re: What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

Hey Sea-Ray in Everett - <br /><br />Have you started winterizing yet?<br /><br />I'm debating, got a new prop coming in next week, and although I drained my exhaust manifold it would on ly take 1.1 minutes to put it back, put the outdrive up and away I'd be towards the sound....<br /><br />I want to burn some of my crappy gas out before I winterize but if it doesn't happen this weekend (Rain forecasted) it may not happen at all.....<br /><br />Just bought this boat and only had it on the water three times now! Grrr! :D (all with a 21" pitch prop on a 2.3l 4 banger).....<br /><br />As for the original topic, 2 or 3 hrs at 30 degrees is hardly enough to make ice in teh freezer let alone in your block!<br /><br />Especially if it's in the garage, youd be suprised (If it's attached to the house) how much warmer it stays in there.
 
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"Hey Sea-Ray in Everett - <br /><br />Have you started winterizing yet?"<br /><br />Winterize????... Heck it's still summer, just the rain is a little colder!<br />I've got a least a few more weeks before the final wrap-up. Changed the fluids though.<br />I'm following Jeff Renner and my Bill Nigh the science guy home weather kit. Just hope the power doesn't go out or I WILL be out draining the H20 by flashlite.
 

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Re: What are the chances I already ruined my engine?? :(

Originally posted by Robby6950:<br />You are simply running the AF out the mans. But I do have a question ferya. Don't know how you did it, but if you drained the block, drained the manifold, and pulled the lower circulating pump hose, all water should be out. Now, if you button up, and you don't get a SIGNIFICANT amount of AF in the motor (should hold a few gallons-V-8's hold over 5-6 or more gallons) before it starts running out the mans, its because the thermostat is closed, and all your doing is pouring AF into the stat housing, and out the man and riser. Some will leak into the block, but very little. You don't say where the boat is (or fresh or salt-this stuff IS IMPORTANT for good answers), but draining and leaving just air in the block will cause zero problems. But if you say you filled the block to the nmanifold, OK. But it should have held a few gallons.
Fresh water only ...Boat is parked inside my (non-insulated)garage. I DID NOT just pour AF in on top of the closed thermostat....duh. <br /><br />I drained the block, pulled the bottom hoses off the exhaust manifolds, backed the boat down into a ditch to let all the water drain out of the boat...then I pulled the entire "water neck"(including the thermostat) off the intake and poured the AF directy into the top of the manifold. I poured it in until it overflowed. Then I attempted to get some more AF into it by pouring it into the exhaust manifold hoses. I had never done that before and don't know why I did it this time. Just seemed like the thing to do. The engine(4.3L V6) held about 2 gallons of AF before it overflowed out of the intake manifold.
 
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