What are your experiences with Outboard Jets' pump in ice filled water?

randys

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I want to be able to break a path through thin ice on lakes and sloughs. "Thin" is an inch or less, or too thin to walk on. I will use a small but sturdy aluminum river "sled", or v-hull utility boat, 14' to 16'. The ice breakes up around the boat forming various size chunks that fill in behind the boat as I move forward. I've never tried my prop motor in the ice, I just assume the large ice chunks will damage it. (We actually push a row boat around a pond in some cases.) For the heaviest ice, breaking a path would involve slowly moving forward, driving the bow up and onto the ice, rock side to side until ice breaks around the bow, repeat. No long distances, and no plane speed. Usually it is open water with just a light glaze of ice, and in most cases small boulders and shallow spots under the ice.

An alternative to using a prop motor (or not doing it at all) is an outboard with a jet pump. I understand the added safety and motor damage risks of boating in freezing weather. What I would like to know is how do smaller outboard jets perform in ice-chunk water? Are there issues with the intake plugging? Issues with using the pump at other than plane speed? Is it pointless or does it work well? I need a safety boat to keep partners and dogs out of trouble.

I have seen boaters use much larger and heavier inboard jet sleds to break heavy ice at relatively high speeds. You can hear them coming 2 miles (measured) away. I've never been able to speak to the "ice jetters". They are usually taking a shortcut through my decoys at high speed right at the start of legal hunting hours. For some reason they don't stop to talk, even though I am signalling to them that they are Number One on the water.
 

marine4003

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Re: What are your experiences with Outboard Jets' pump in ice filled water?

Randy,
I would think a jet drive will work fine ,but an outboard...never heard of such an animal.an I/O with a stainless steel impeller will chew up any ice small enough to make it past the intake grate,but then there is another problem..if the ice clogs the intake..no power.
Then theres the potential problem of using a boat that's constructed of aluminum fastened with rivets, all the bending,side to side,ect may cause them to pop...leaks.
May want to consider an older fiberglass hull,can be reinforced..then a small I/O jetpump,merc made a good one for searay,then a shroud for the intake,clamshell to keep ice going under the hull and clogging intake..My2cents.
 

DRIFTER_016

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Re: What are your experiences with Outboard Jets' pump in ice filled water?

I guide on Great Bear Lake in the North West Territories and during the first week or two we will usually have to break and push ice at some point. Our boats are 17 footers with 30 hp Merc OB's. We have never had a problem with ice damaging the props, I take it easy and watch out for bergs. :)
I have broken a path a half mile long through rotting foot thick ice sheets in the past and the only thing the ice does, other than shake the motor a bit is to polish the edges of the prop. When I go to break a thick sheet of ice I ease up to it until the bow is resting on the sheet. Next I gradually open the throttal to push the boat onto the ice, usually it will split and separate if not I bcak up and try a different spot. As long as you aren't hitting solid chunks of ice at speed you'll be fine.
 

Zero Balance

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Re: What are your experiences with Outboard Jets' pump in ice filled water?

I run my little O/B sled in ice at times and have never had a problem. It just skims right over the sheets. I run rivers that have shelf ice break off and drift with the current. Granted this ice is only 1/2" or maybe a little thicker so its not a problem. I'd have a hard time believing a sled like this/mine would break ice though unless I was on the bow with a spud bar or something. It's just too light and would likely just skip up on thicker stationary ice. I'd think a modified or V hull would be better suited for breaking ice.

I've never had a problem ingesting ice though... Only weeds...:(
I have an aluminum impellar and dress it seasonally.

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randys

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Re: What are your experiences with Outboard Jets' pump in ice filled water?

Thank you for the replies.

Marine 4003, I have an Outboard Jets brand jet pump on an old Evinrude just like ZeroBalance does on his Mercury in the picture above. Regarding rivits, I am not sure what I would do with a boat that did not leak. I'd have to wonder if I was using it enough.

Drifter, you're describing what I should be doing. I hadn't thought to ask the prop-in-ice question first. I just picked up a running 20hp Merc (prop) and spare parts motor. That will likely be the first motor I try this winter. The jet has a second purpose. I want to take advantage of all the suburban salmon rivers around here. I ground up my 6hp prop on a gravel bar last summer, and was impressed with how well the jet boats and sleds got around. I had the only boat out there that day that could not plane over the bars. Of course, I had the only boat that could be dragged across the bars by hand.

ZB, that's what I need for river fishing, small and fairly light. Most "river" sleds (as opposed to jon boats) I find around here are huge and very heavy. And expensive. I would want more of a 'V' for ice busting, though. Who made that boat? I can't make out the sticker in the picture.
 

muskie hunter

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Re: What are your experiences with Outboard Jets' pump in ice filled water?

I am a duck hunter and break ice all the time. We use a 10 hp honda 4 stroke and it works just fine. No prop damage or engine trouble at all.
My buddy uses an 85 hp jet drive by mercury and it seems as though the jet intake screen gets plugged with ice very easy, thus shutting of the water flow and stopping progress. It does not hurt the jet because of the screening, but it is a pain in the butt.
 

Zero Balance

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Re: What are your experiences with Outboard Jets' pump in ice filled water?

Who made that boat? I can't make out the sticker in the picture.

The hull is an ALWELD. Alumaweld builds some nice hulls as well. Spendy though.
I picked this boat up a couple seasons ago for Steelhead fishing in the rivers near my area. The pump is an Outboard Jets model. On plane my draft is about 4".

I wouldn't consider any less than a 40hp for a jet application.
 
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