What did I do wrong on install of alpha 1 water pump ( help )

alan ber

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1984 Mercruiser
4 cylinde
Alpha 1

This is second time replacing water pump on my Alpha 1 within a few weeks.

First time purchased entire Sierra kit changing impellar, gaskets, housing.

My mistake was impellar fins I installed clock wise rather then counter clock wise.
After a few hours of use started smelling burning rubber and noticed temp gauge slowly rising
Lucky this all happened on return and I was at dock getting trailer.

Back home put on rabbit ears, started engine, took off hose that goes from lower unit into heat exchanger
confirmed my thoughts, no water was pumping into exchanger. Closed engine .

Purchased another kit with new impellar, and when I removed lower section too do job again, impellar was fried, with pieces
Chunks of impellar in water tube, up the shaft, and some small pieces worked their way into heat exchanger.
cleaned everything.

Moving forward

Changed everything, installed fins counter clockwise.
Lower part was difficult installing and need help of another set of hands .
Finally installed , started engine and water is pumping fine, thinking too myself good job, and should
have checked the mercruiser book and it clearly showed pics which way impellar should go too avoid
doing job twice, but then noticed my prop was spinning in neutral .?
I thought I did everything as I did the first time which shifted fine and wheel was fine,
but now throttle in neutral, prop is spinning, throttle can't move, cable tight and stalls when I move
out of neutral ever so slightly, steering wheel very tight and won't move unit.

I am going too pull it down again, do I have too remove the new gear oil, which is no big deal but
what did I do wrong, what should I look for, can I loosen enough too keep lower unit attached
with bolts and adjust and re install, so I don't have too call my neighbor.

What did I not line up properly?

thanking you guys in advance
al in Orlando
 

ktbarrentine

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Re: What did I do wrong on install of alpha 1 water pump ( help )

Sounds like you did not pay attention to the shift shaft orientation when you reassembled. Either that, or the shift fork did not engage properly when you put the drive back on the boat. Most effective way to check and correct is to pull the drive back off the boat (of course, need to ensure the shifter is in fwd to do this). If the throttle cant move as you say, then you can check to see what the position of the shift shaft is by looking up under the bell housing at the front part of the drrive to see if the shift shaft "foot and shoe" are lined up straight fwd. If not, and if you cant get them there with the shifter lever, then you can get around this by draining the oil and removing the bottom half of the drive, followed by removing the upper half.
Once you get the drive off the boat, then you check your shift lever and shift fork to see if they are operating properly (shift to fwd and rev and see what the shift fork in the bell housing does). Also see if your steering is still bound up, indicating another issue.
Also once you get the drive off the boat, then you can do shift checks on the outdrive itself by moving the shift shaft fully clockwise while turning the prop CCW and see if it locks, then noting the position of the shift shaft "foot". If the foot is not directly at 12 oclock position, then you are "off a spline" on the shift shaft orientation and need to lift the shift shaft (have to split the upper/lower to do this, if not already done....also need to make sure your stainless steel washer is in place on top of the shift shaft bushing), re-orient it to 12 oclock (straight fwd) with the prop still "locked" CCW (held with bungie cord), and you should be ready to put it all back together. When reinstalling the drive on the bell housing, make sure the shifter fork properly engages the shift shaft roller. (I have a nifty little plastic holder that holds the fork properly in position when installing the drive).

I hope your probelm is that simple. best of luck!

(edit.... reading Terry's post after mine, and re-reading yours, I get the impression you changed your impeller by just dropping the lower and not removing the whole drive....so I +1 his rec to just drop the lower again to re-align and check the shift shaft... Yes...you need to drain the oil to do this or expect a big mess! And then make sure the oil passage quad seal is properly put back into place afterwards!
What direction was prop rotating when you were in neutral?
Still curious about the bound-up steering issue....this maintenance should not have affected the steering. something else got buggered up when you put the drive back on, but I can't imagin what at this point without more data.... Got pics?)
 
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Re: What did I do wrong on install of alpha 1 water pump ( help )

1984 Mercruiser
but now throttle in neutral, prop is spinning, throttle can't move, cable tight and stalls when I move
out of neutral ever so slightly, steering wheel very tight and won't move unit. can I loosen enough too keep lower unit attached
with bolts and adjust and re install, so I don't have too call my neighbor.

You had the control in forward, but the gearcase was in reverse when you put it together. Easy fix. Control in forward, drop the gearcase (lower), rotate the lower shift shaft (small splined shaft in front) all the way clockwise (you are now in forward), rotate the prop counterclockwise until it locks and hold it in place with a bungee. Put it back together making sure that the top of the intermediate shift shaft is pointed straight ahead and matches the connector on the bottom of the upper shift shaft and you should be good to go. Should not affect your steering.
Maybe, you have to lower it enough to disconnect the intermediate and lower shift shafts (so you can rotate the lower ss), try lifting the intermediate shift shaft up to see if you can get it off of the lower ss splines.
 
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Re: What did I do wrong on install of alpha 1 water pump ( help )

Just to help you the next time you do the impeller, what I've done is to rotate the prop by hand to rotate the vertical shaft as I push the water pump housing and impeller down in place. It works real nice and the shaft will always turn the correct way.
 

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Re: What did I do wrong on install of alpha 1 water pump ( help )

I know this isn't to do with the problem you posted for... But, installing the impeller the wrong way would not damage it in any way. Something else happened to cause the burnt impeller. And just to give you all a heads up. When you put it in gear and turn the propeller shaft CCW, you're turning it BACKWARDS! If you turn the propshaft forward it flicks out of gear, remember...

Cheers,

Chris.
 

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remember...

Cheers,

Chris.

Wow...that just made my head hurt!

(I dont do it that way anyway.... I just turn the vertical shaft CW while installing the pump cover and the vanes just end up going in the right way.) I do the prop rotation trick (just slightly) to line up the splines during reassembly.
 
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When you put it in gear and turn the propeller shaft CCW, you're turning it BACKWARDS! If you turn the propshaft forward it flicks out of gear,.

So when I do my impeller again, if I turn the lower shift shaft all the way CCW (reverse) and turn the prop clockwise the shaft will turn the correct direction for installing the impeller with the vanes pointed in right direction. Right Chris? Just have to remember to turn the lower ss back clockwise before putting it back together.
 

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Re: What did I do wrong on install of alpha 1 water pump ( help )

So when I do my impeller again, if I turn the lower shift shaft all the way CCW (reverse) and turn the prop clockwise the shaft will turn the correct direction for installing the impeller with the vanes pointed in right direction. Right Chris? Just have to remember to turn the lower ss back clockwise before putting it back together.

No... In order to turn the lower drive-shaft with the propeller shaft you have to engage the back of the clutch dogs (and it doesn't make any difference FORWARD or REVERSE). If you have the shift shaft in the CW direction (selecting FORWARD) you need to turn the propshaft CCW to turn the drive-shaft. This will turn the drive-shaft CCW. If you turn the propshaft CW all that will happen is the dogs will ride up the ramp and shift the drive back into neutral. If you have the shift shaft in the CCW direction (selecting REVERSE) you need to turn the propshaft CW to turn the drive-shaft. And the drive-shaft will turn.....CCW... Same rule applies with the back of the ramps on REVERSE....

There are a few important things with putting in a new impeller, and there are reasons for each.
1. put a smear of grease in the housing before installing the impeller into it.
2. Put the impeller in the housing with the correct direction of rotation.
3. When installing the drive back on the bell-housing, you do need to turn the drive backwards (while in FORWARD gear) to align the coupler splines. The grease in the housing will help the impeller blades slide rather than fold back. Even if one or two blades do turn back, it's no problem. Once the engine is revved to about 1500 (pump goes from displacement to centrifugal) the blades fold all the way in anyway. Any blade that is backwards will get flipped at this point.

Chris....
 

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Re: What did I do wrong on install of alpha 1 water pump ( help )

:facepalm: Dang! You are right! Well at least I can determine the WRONG way to turn it. I may have to take your title of "dumbest guy on the site" ;)
 

achris

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Re: What did I do wrong on install of alpha 1 water pump ( help )

:facepalm: Dang! You are right! Well at least I can determine the WRONG way to turn it. I may have to take your title of "dumbest guy on the site" ;)

NO!!! It's MINE and you Can't have it!!!! ;)
 
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