What did this guy do wrong? Boat crash..

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kenny26

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UEETjztLqI

Saw this video and wondered what experienced boaters opinions are... Obviously not a good idea to jump wakes at that speed, but he looked out of control even on the straight away runs before the crash. Was he overpowered? or just and idiot?
 

KeyWestSkipper

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Re: What did this guy do wrong? Boat crash..

Motor looked to be trimmed waaaay out.
 

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Motor looked to be trimmed waaaay out.
Yeah, uh, but, uh . . . that's how you get the 70 MPH which was ultimately the problem . . .

Operator error. Finding a rogue wake/wave at 70 is one thing, finding one on purpose is another . . . ;)
 

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Re: What did this guy do wrong? Boat crash..

I'm hardly experienced at boating at high speed, but the same rules of aerodynamics and steering apply as with any rear drive vehicle.

I would guess there simply wasn't enough boat in the water to steer. A prop on the rear assumes there is a boat in the front. A good analogy to that boat is pulling a wheelie (only the motor was in the water) on a dirt bike (single drive) on a dirt trail (small waves) and expecting it to continue going straght. Add to that the lift of the hull as it rocks back and forth on the waves, the extremely shallow V of the hull and the spinning of the single prop and you have a guy who was lucky he lasted as long as he did.
 

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I'm hardly experienced at boating at high speed, but the same rules of aerodynamics and steering apply as with any rear drive vehicle.

I was thinking the exact same thing. My truck on a curve in the rain exhibits this same behavior :O
 

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Re: What did this guy do wrong? Boat crash..

too much motor, trimmed out too much so not enough boat in the water.
 

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Re: What did this guy do wrong? Boat crash..

A candidate for the "Darwin Awards" I would say...
 

robert graham

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It's fun to trim it up and let it rip sometimes, but you just can't keep doing it on and on because it's gonna bite you right in the butt, just like bad driving on the highway!
 

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Re: What did this guy do wrong? Boat crash..

Although he was stupid, as he should not have been looking for wakes at 70. The fact is there are a lot of faster bass boats out there, so I am not inclined to say that was too much motor. I woudl bet it was probably available with more power. Annnnnd, the only way to get as much speed as that boat was designed for is to be trimmed out "on the pad". Soooooo, ultimately I think the message of the video is correct. If you're going to run a bass boat as it is designed to be run (fast), then you better where a life vest and you better use a lanyard. Ship happens . . . ;)
 

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Once he crossed the first wake and was in the trail of the film boat, he would have been ok if he had backed out then... But as he recovered from that jump the boaw was already heading up when he hit the outside wake and it launched him that much higher. With the prop push and the air under the hull, he did not have any chance of recovery...
 

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Can you trim that far out and rev out to redline and top speed? On a deep vee, with more bite, the answer is... well, you can, but you sacrifice some control, so make sure you have a straight line and the right water. Be ready to bring the throttle back. Really be ready.

Now, on a bass boat like that... while the deep vee boat is giving away some control, the bass boat is pretty much surrendering so much control that the whole ride is dangerous.

Dangerous is a subjective ranking. But some experienced boaters and observers can easily conclude by how the boat behaved before the crash on high speed runs that he wasn't far from the edge.

Now, it usually takes compounding factors to make tragedy possible. First, he was trimmed pretty far out, with the boat walking on the transom, and the motor drive barely holding/biting. Second, he approached a wake and seemed to make absolutely not one reasonable adjustment -- not to the speed or the trim.

"Feel" is an important thing that some people do not have inherently. I have been boating with guys who have been on the water for 40 years, and I am amazed at the number of guys who can't "feel" for chit. Some guys just have a way of bringing the trim or the speed, or even the bow, into the right position/setting, as they can feel the boat and react to its input.

Trimming all the way out; pushing the throttle forward and just bouncing over waves is eliminating all the rationale, reasoning and input that a human being should have at his/her disposal, and it is irresponsible.

Glad the guy lived, but he doesn't have any instincts, and as such, had to learn the hard way.
 

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Way to fast for such a shallow hull, you could see even on the straights it was unstable ..

It was just a matter of time, and taking on a side wave at that speed !! well stupid :rolleyes:
 

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Re: What did this guy do wrong? Boat crash..

Also, on a shallow/flat hull like that, when you trim the motor out the last 10-15% and get into the unstable zone, you aren't really bringing any more chunk of hull out of the water, so all you are doing is walking on the drive shaft/prop.

On an offshore or deep vee planing hull, there is motivation to trim out as far as possible because there is one motherload of a hull to get out of the water, and even trimmed out far on such a boat, you have a good chance of having a decent piece of hull still in the water (except in extreme cases).

I just don't see his speed increasing much through his actions to raise the prop via the trim. The damn boat is already built to plane very early and at the speeds he was at, he was only going to get diminishing returns by trimming out. The darn boat doesn't have much of a draft sitting at idle!

Ugh!
 

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Re: What did this guy do wrong? Boat crash..

i've watched that video over and over. pretty amazing.

to me,
1st, it's a bass boat with a pad. at that speed he's on the pad. i'd guess you don't do anything but go straight when on the pad, though i don't know that for a fact since i've never had a boat with a pad. though i have got one boat to chine walk at high speed and it'll scare the s out of ya when it happens.. he's just near flying. like in no control.
2nd. he went for a wave at that speed and i think the approach was wrong. though, any approach at that speed would be wrong.
anyways, after he hits the first wake ya can see he's starting to rock, chine to chine. he gets loose after the first wave, then comes back into the water at a slight angle to starboard. the boat squishes the water out of the way and goes low into the water, then he hits the second wave which really launches him, but he still had a little side to side motion so when he came back down from flying almost perpendicular, the starboard side at the stern hit first. instant friction which tosses it to port. by then he's back in the water with full friction and the whole boat spins 180* and the flat transom stops him instantly. to much fwd. motion and he couldn't hang on so got tossed out.
so what'd he do wrong. too much speed and trying to navigate a boat wake at the wrong angle. but mostly the speed.
in his defense, he did right with wearing a pfd + his safety lanyard. he knew he was out for a speed run.. which is more than i can say for 2 cats at my local watering hole this summer. i didn't see it (i was real close to the incident though), but from what i read, high speed on a mild ripple and turning when on the pad and lost it. out they went. no pfd, no lanyard, a boat @ wot in a full turn, circled them till it got them, one knocked out and drowned, ond chopped up and drowned. two experienced boaters (from what the newspaper said) dead just out for a day of fishing that ended very tragically... if they'd have only wore the lanyard... and if you got one on your boat, i'd be wearing it after seeing that video..
 

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What I want to know is why was he in the water for 10 minutes?! What was that filiming boat doing? Filming I guess.

Another hot dog got bit. Don't have much sympathy.
 

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Crossing a wake at that speed in that boat says inexperience combined with stupidity. It's ok to have that motor on that boat and go that fast, but only in optimium conditions, being zero chop. You don't see formula one drivers go at the same pace in the wet as on a dry track. Experience would have told him to back off.
 

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His last words, "Hey, watch this ..."
 

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Re: What did this guy do wrong? Boat crash..

this one's been up before; the guy was doing some kind of trials for racing. Not that others wouldn't do the same thing.
 

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Re: What did this guy do wrong? Boat crash..

When this was originally posted months ago, the comments weren't disabled.
They addressed the 10 minute issue. He was breathing, so they did the right thing, you don't move someone when there's a possible spine or internal injuries.

Also, they were testing the hull and engine all day long. The guy's parents should have used better birth control IMO.
 
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