What to look for when buying first family boat

jwilkey84

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So I have been around boats some and have had outboard models, but I think I want to get a 20' bow rider with an I/o for my young family to enjoy before they get into sports and such. So I have located a 1997 crownline 202 with what the owner says in a 5.7. It is a good price but there are some red flags I want to get checked out. First off the vinyl has been redone...which isn't a big deal since it s an older boat; they didn't put all the fancy crownline stitching back in but that doesn't bother me. The current owner has only had it a year and is selling due to a new baby on the way. He says he has been around boats his whole life. The hour meter says 1600 hrs but the owner says he doesn't beleive that's true because sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't and just floating around swimming it still racks up hours. The owner before him owned it like 5 years or so and was the one to redo the vinyl and the new owner thinks the carpet was prly redone at the same time as the seats. I'm just hoping that the carpet and seats weren't redone As a result of negligence and poor maintenence....hopefully the floor didn't have rot that was cut out and repaired or something like that. And hopefully the hour meter thing is a glitch? The current owner had taken it to a marina and had it checked out when he bought it last year...it got a new water pump , starter, and some kind of "flaps" in the exhaust lines I guess to keep water from coming up into the exhaust when you slow down rapidly? He didn't winterized the boat last fall because he lives in Missouri and kept it in a heated garage all winter. The current owner says he has no problem if I want to call the place that worked on it for him and ask them questions about their impression of the boat. So it seems like the current owner isn't trying to hide anything but the new carpet and vinyl were kind of a red flag to me, maybe I'm paranoid. And 1600 hrs seems unbeleiveable here in the Midwest. Does anyone know of these era of crownlines having hour meter troubles? And the pic of the motor looks like none I've see in a boat that age. I'll post a pic but instead of the typical mercruiser intake area, the motor has a plastic cover on it that says gm marine power vortec on it....which doesn't look normal to me in pics anyway? I'm wondering if the motor has been replaced...then 1600 hrs may be right! And the owner said it was carb'd but I wonder if some of you would identify it differently based on the intake picture as an efi model? So anyhow I am looking for quick input on this boat...if it all checks out I want to buy it this weekend. It is 3 hours from me and I haven't seen it in person yet so I need good info from you guys. What can I do to check to see if the floor has been replaced and things like that. Where do I look to see if there has been moisture trapped in the belly of the boat? I want a boat but not a headache ! And this boat is also priced low enough to have problems at$4900 but I would rather pay $8-9000 for a boat with low hours and no potential problems.
 

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oldjeep

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1600 seems crazy high. Easy enough to check to see if they wired the hour meter wrong, see if it runs up hours with key on and engine off.

As for the engine, likely a throttle body not carb. Easy enough to check by pulling the plastic cover.
 

jwilkey84

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Ok so is that a typical motor cover for a 97 vintage boat?? It's a new design to me!? Ok I'll check the key thing. Another thing i forgot to mention in the original post is that he also says there is something wrong with the shift or throttle cable. Last time they had it out last year he says they were just going along about 20 mph and it came out of gear. And couldn't get it back in. He says it won't sit there and grind like it's trying to go into gear or anything and says it's likely a cheap linkage or broken cable to fix. He has also described his problem to guys he says would know and they too say it sounds like an easy fix. I'm handy and can fix a few things or afford to have a few things fixed but once again I don't want a total headache or money pit. So with those descriptions what do some of you think of that ?
 

MI_Pirate

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That is a replacement engine. Google the name on the cover. Marine Power...

It could be from any year. Question is, how old is the picture? The few visible parts of the boat in that photo look kinda new. Makes me wonder if that is a pic of the replacement engine taken in '99...
 

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I'm not sure, but I think you can check hours an a computer controlled engine with a scanner. MarinePower is an engine rebuilder.
 

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All the pics are current or a year old at most
 

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JASinIL2006

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By itself, nothing wrong with a repowered boat. The previous owners must've liked it enough to put in a new engine?
 

roffey

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for me the red flags are not winterizing a boat. I keep mine in a heated garage, but I still winterize it and it would not even cross my mind not to. What would you do in a power went out. The motor does look like EFI but that would be better than a carbureted motor. The boat is almost 20 years old so it could be the carpets were replaced because they were just wore out. If the gear issue is cheap to fix why would he not fix it. You can't water test it and that by it self would be a show stopper.

For me $4900 and three hours away, I would keep looking. You mentioned your budget was twice that. $9000 will get you a nice boat with every thing working. Condition is what speaks loudest and that boat has condition issues. Just my 2 cents.
 

jwilkey84

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Good points, thanks. I forgot that I can't test the boat in its current condition. It's just that to find a crownline of the late 90's around here that is 20' long instead of 18' is kinda hard to do. And spending less than budgeted for is always a nice thought. I was thnking about requesting the previous owners phone number if he has it to get some more history info on the boat. It could be that he really just wants to sell the boat because he needs the money for a new baby; after all he's already sold his pckup that he pulled it with! He mentioned his father has a suburban...maybe I could have him take it to the marina and fix the throttle/shift issue so it is worthy to test drive anyway?
 

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It's always perplexing that folks will try to sell a boat with a 'simple' problem that supposedly just needs an inexpensive repair. Would you buy a car with a flat tire that prevents you from taking a road test? If the fix is really that simple, the owner should get it fixed before he tries to sell the boat.

I also agree with roffey about winterizing the boat. I see you're from Iowa. I'm in West Central Illinois, not far from Iowa, and I don't know of anyone who doesn't winterize their boat. It just gets too cold here in the winter and the chances of of a power outage make using a heated garage a real gamble. I don't know where the boat is located... I believe folks who boat on Lake of the Ozarks down in Missouri don't always winterize, but up this way, I think that would be a bit crazy.

One thing you might do is look at the boat and if all else is good, suggest is that he get the simple repair done, and if the boat runs well, you'll buy the boat and pay for the repair. If the boat doesn't run well, the deal is off. You'd want to make sure your initial inspection was really thorough, though. A boat that age is a good candidate to have rot problems developing.
 

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Not that uncommon for folks with heated storage to not winterize. My Malibu was not winterized when I bought it - was stored in a palace of a toy garage. I agree though that if the shift thing is such a simple fix then the owner should have it done - no way to really evalute the boat without driving it. As for the marine power engine maybe original, maybe not. You would need to find out if MP was an option that year. Or it could just be a shroud that someone swapped on because it looked cool;). Marine power supplies engines to boat builders same as mercury marine, indmar and pcm.
 
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milehighjc

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I bought a 1997 Crownline 182 in the fall of 2014. If you do a search here on "oldish" you will find a thread with lots of good comments from people that were gathered when I was buying it. There is also a slightly differing thread over on crownihq (which by the way is another great site with very helpful people if you do decide to buy this boat... possible you will even find the current owner over there).

Mine has the 5.7L engine - it definitely is not what is in the one you are looking at. Would be good to know how many hours since it was replaced.

FYi, 1997 was the last year Crownline did not use treated wood in construction. Starting in 1998, they started a warranty against rot. I would inspect VERY closely. Im guessing you do NOT have the appetite for a floor and stringer replacement job. I know I didnt. The best suggestion is probably have the boat gone over by a marine surveyor. It will cost you some $ now, but it might save you a TON later. At a bare minimum, use the checklist on the sticky in this forum to check things out. I did that, and it was very helpful to remind me of all the things to check when I first went to see the boat. I made a spreadsheet out of that list, and used it for every boat I looked at (there were a lot).

Having commented on a couple of concerns, I will say this... my 182 has been a FANTASTIC boat. It was exceptionally well cared for by the previous two owners, and runs flawlessly. I have continued to over maintain it on the grounds that good preventive maintenance is a LOT cheaper than an emergency repair. Im very big on having the boat available for the entire summer, I have no interest in having it in the shop during the season if there is any way to prevent it. It is solid as a rock, rides well (especially after I put SmartTabs on it), pulls like a mule (I run a 19P SS prop, it would probably pull tree stumps). It will definitely yank my fat butt out of the water on a slalom ski. I absolutely love the boat, the only wish I have is for another two feet - which the one you are looking at would have.

Feel free to post or PM me if you have any specific questions, happy to help if I can.

Jeff
 
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