What Type of Life Insurance?

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Amazing how many people think life insurance is an investment.

I bought a mixture of whole life and term while my family was young and investments small. Now that I'm old, I have a hundred thousand, or so, in paid up whole life which will replace lost income for my wife when I kick. The term just disappeared into oblivion when the purpose had been served and I stopped the premiums. Depends on what the needs and wants are ... ;)
 

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Now that I'm old, I have a hundred thousand, or so, in paid up whole life which will replace lost income for my wife when I kick.
And the life insurance company made more money in the long run. The difference in the amount paid for a term or whole life policy over your lifetime is huge! Invest that difference and you would have had way more.
 

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Term is by far the most adaptable and cost efficient.

Buy the amount you need, for the time(s) you need it.
It can be used to buy out partners and their heirs, fund a trust, or pay off bills.

Agents make little to nothing on a term policy, but reap nice commissions on whole and universal. Why do you think that is ??
 

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Different strokes for different folks. The issue with whole and universal is the people selling it. It's a commission business that rewards those with no scruples handsomely.
I wish I had a dollar for every pitch I have heard for whole life despite my having no dependents.

That's right... that's how much they care. I had one guy suggest I name a charity as my beneficiary. I suggested the charity pay the premiums and I will start drinking heavily and write the booze off as a charitable donation.
 

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And the life insurance company made more money in the long run...

Yeah? This is a Capitalistic economy, businesses are supposed to make money. I don't begrudge them that at all.

But let me get this straight... with term life, you pay small premiums, but may never collect any payout? With whole life, you pay larger premiums, but are guaranteed a payout? Isn't that like renting a house versus buying one?
 

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with term life, you pay small premiums, but may never collect any payout? With whole life, you pay larger premiums, but are guaranteed a payout? Isn't that like renting a house versus buying one?
the logic is basically this : buy term for way less $, invest the difference

that way, you buy insurance for what it is (if you need it)

then, you invest that saved money in what you want - there a million ways to invest. Most don't like to be pigeon-holed into what their insurance company invests in on their behalf.

Most people like control of their investments. Some don't.

Term is usually way cheaper, but not necessarily in all cases. I have no dependents, but the group term life at my work is so cheap, I bought a million coverage and named my 4 neices and nephews...that way if I kick it, they'll get a nice surprise... it's cheaper than buying a few quick pick lotto tix each week.

The big scams are things like mortgage insurance. Where, you pay the mortgage down, yet the premiums do not decrease.
And the policy isn't underwritten until someone goes to claim it - which is too scary for me. no thanks to life insurance sold by a bank teller with no license to sell insurance. .
Got a $100,000 mortgage - go buy a term policy for $100K... you'll find the premiums are less, you have an actual policy in hand, and the widow can use the money for anything - doesn't have to put toward mortgage.

Most folks I know have way too much life insurance, and way too LITTLE disability coverage.
 

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With whole life, you pay larger premiums, but are guaranteed a payout? Isn't that like renting a house versus buying one?
Not even close. Its like buying a house and overpaying your principal and never getting it all back.

The people I have met that like whole life and that usually give that example are insurance salesmen.

Yeah? This is a Capitalistic economy, businesses are supposed to make money. I don't begrudge them that at all.
If the choice is me making more money or them making more money, I will pick me.
 

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Saw this on Yahoo today:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/4-life-insurance-policies-never-180314056.html

I believe you should never buy a whole or universal life policy....only term. Amazing how many people think life insurance is an investment.

Well the realization is that the country seems to be full of idealogues or just ignorant people hence the status of the U.S. over the last 4 years.
Last year I finally took the plunge and grew up and got term life. With a family, large income to replace, young kids, college saving, and on and on I feel ignorant for waiting as long as I did. I wouldn't consider the other forms of life insurance however there are some upsides to some of them for estate planning etc. I'm at 1.5M of coverage which likely is still light.
 

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Bruce I was a claims adjuster. I was the guy who had to payout, so that's what I understand. So if you tell me, "pay me a little, but you're not guaranteed to get anything" or "pay me a little more, but you will get an agreed amount" I'll pay the little more to have the guaranteed return. It is an investment in that respect.

You know, in Accounting 101, pre paid insurance is listed as an asset?
 

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You know, in Accounting 101, pre paid insurance is listed as an asset?
If I paid $50K for a car that is now worth $1000, that would be listed as an asset as well so not sure that is such a great analogy.

So if you tell me, "pay me a little, but you're not guaranteed to get anything" or "pay me a little more, but you will get an agreed amount" I'll pay the little more to have the guaranteed return. It is an investment in that respect.
http://www.smartmoney.com/plan/insurance/term-or-whole-life-8011/
So what is your definition of a little more? In this article $350 for term and $3000 for whole life!
 

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If I paid $50K for a car that is now worth $1000, that would be listed as an asset as well so not sure that is such a great analogy.


http://www.smartmoney.com/plan/insurance/term-or-whole-life-8011/
So what is your definition of a little more? In this article $350 for term and $3000 for whole life!

Absolute depreciating assests are one thing. But whole life doesn't deprecite, does it?

And yes, at nearly 100 times the cost, you might have to reconsider whole v. term. But there is a 100% chance you will die. The rest is a gamble.
 

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Depending on the company whole life typically returns a 1.5% return a whopping investment. Of course you have no idea what you are going to get going into the policy.

Another bad thing is that at death, the beneficiary gets the payout limit of the insurance only! For example, if you have $100K policy and you have a $20K cash value, the payout is $100K so basically payed all this extra money for this whole life policy and get nothing more in return.
 

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There are different scenarios where I think WL works, mine is one of them.

25 years ago when I was in a partnership, we entered into a 'variable appreciable' product where you could choose different stock funds where part of the premium was invested. It was a buy/sell agreement with the policy paying 25% of the death benefit on a tax-free basis if one of the partners were to contract cancer, heart attack, or other life-threatening illnesses.

My partner was diagnosed with cancer after 12 years and it payed out. He's -1 kidney, but fine otherwise and the partnership is dissolved, but I still have mine with a hefty cash value in my fund and $100k of paid-up ins. I still put in the $100/month premium which now goes into a variable annuity I can take how I want when I retire. It was worth it to me.
 

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There are different scenarios where I think WL works, mine is one of them.

25 years ago when I was in a partnership, we entered into a 'variable appreciable' product where you could choose different stock funds where part of the premium was invested. It was a buy/sell agreement with the policy paying 25% of the death benefit on a tax-free basis if one of the partners were to contract cancer, heart attack, or other life-threatening illnesses.

My partner was diagnosed with cancer after 12 years and it payed out. He's -1 kidney, but fine otherwise and the partnership is dissolved, but I still have mine with a hefty cash value in my fund and $100k of paid-up ins. I still put in the $100/month premium which now goes into a variable annuity I can take how I want when I retire. It was worth it to me.

Could this not have been done with a cheaper term policy and a limited disability policy?
I believe so, as we did the same thing in a real estate investment partnership we had.
 
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