What year , West Bend 30hp

[Droll]

Got an old West Bend outboard , it's not in working order at this moment but .....<br />Want to know the year it was made , my guess is 62 > 64 but ...<br />Second , the lower unit is ...broken , are there other models that's compatible with this model , or can be made to fit ?? , any later 35 hp Weat Bend or Chrysler models .<br /><br />West Bend Golden Shark 30hp , two cylinders , one carburator .<br />Model # 30301<br />Serial # 1831<br />Produced : Heartfield Wisconsin .<br /><br />Arne Kjetil

 

[eurolarva]

Re: What year , West Bend 30hp

The motor was made in 1963. Chrysler took over in 1966. My guess is that a older chrysler lower unit will work on the West bend. Is the lower unit a two piece or one piece?

 

[Droll]

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It's a two pice unit , splits just above the gears .<br />What older Chrysler units would fit , 25 > 35hp ?<br /><br />Might try to restore the engine IF I can find some parts in the right price range , not going to spend the big money on this one <br /><br />Did the later 35hp engines use the same pistons ( same bore ) as the early 30hp model ??.<br /><br />Arne Kjetil

 

[eurolarva]

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Your dealing with a motor that is 43 years old. It will be hard to tell what will and wont fit on that motor. Thursday nights chrysler crew has a chat. They might be able to shed some light on what you can mix and match. They are www.chryslercrew.com<br /><br />Keep and eye on ebay. Might be able to find something there that will work. Chrysler did make a 30 hp from 1973-1982. Looks like the lower unit is common on 20 - 50 hp motors so there is a lot out there to choose from. If you can post a pic of the lower unit removed from the powerhead. I would like to see the driveshaft, the shift connector and water pump.

 

[Droll]

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Your dealing with a motor that is 43 years old

The last engine was 42 years old , but it was a Johnson, still lots of parts for it .<br /><br />

Thursday nights chrysler crew ***

Might try , but there will be some problems with the time zone .<br /><br />

Keep and eye on ebay

Been there ,but there is not to mutch Chrysler/West Bend parts there ,but will try again .<br /><br />Will try to post some pictures later , just got 12" of snow last night ....<br /><br /><br />Arne Kjetil

 

[eurolarva]

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Chat time would be 0200 GMT (Grenich mean time, Zulu or coordinated universal time)and would go to 0400 GMT.

 

[Droll]

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Got some pictures , lots of cleaning to do, but ...<br /><br /><br />

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<br /><br />Driveshaft got the same 14 splines in bouth ends.<br />Shiftshafts lower part is connected to the upper part by a 1.5" long nut (1/4"-20 ?? ) , located on the backside of the mid section ( no picture ).<br />This lower unit used a 10" pin drive propeller .<br /><br />Arne Kjetil

 

[eurolarva]

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If that stud in the second picture is to connect to the other part of the lower unit and not the shifter you are probably in luck. Here is a picture of an old chrysler lower unit I got on ebay<br />

<br /><br />Here is what the entire unit looks like<br />

<br />The water pump on your unit will not work on a unit like mine but typically on places like ebay they come with a water pump. Chrylser 35,45 and 55 hp are the same lower unit. Does yours have a shift linkage that you have to unscrew from the motor legs after you remove the covers? Should be a nut about 5 centimeters long with reverse threads on both sides? If so a chrylsler lower unit will work.<br /><br />Looks like that lower unit has been in salt water and the skeg is broken. I would definatly try and find a different one.<br /><br />Also count how many splines there are on the driveshaft.

 

[Droll]

Re: What year , West Bend 30hp

Chrysler 35,45 and 55 hp are the same lower unit.

Are you 100% sure ?? , might found a 45 hp model LU .<br /><br />

Should be a nut about 5 centimeters long with reverse threads on both sides? If so a Chrysler lower unit will work.

Got the nut , but would hope it only got reverse threads ONE side .<br /><br />

Looks like that lower unit has been in salt water and the skeg is broken. I would definatly try and find a different one.

No corrosion , but 40 year of abuse starts to show , the skeg was broken of when I got the engine, and finding parts for it here over here , took a whole summer so find a new membrane for the fuel pump .<br /><br />Finding a new one , couldn't agree more .<br /><br />

Also count how many splines there are on the driveshaft.<br />

Originally posted by Droll:<br /><br />Driveshaft got the same 14 splines in both ends.<br />

14 splines .<br /><br />How about pistons for this engine , what size does the 35 hp use ,looks like my 30hp uses 3.??<br />( pistons = 2.993" above wrist pin )<br />You got any pictures of the engine ??<br /><br /><br />Arne Kjetil

 

[Droll]

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Just found this lower unit on EBay , looks indentical <br />

<br />It got the same 3 bolt waterpump housing too .<br /><br />Anyone got a good image of this engine , mine is repainted to many times to see what's original .<br /><br /><br />Arne Kjetil

 

[eurolarva]

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99 percent sure that unit will work on your motor. I have a 45Hp and the unit I got on ebay was off a 35 HP. I was in error about the reverse threads. You are correct it should only have reverse threads on one side. The opening on one side of the nut should be larger then the other side meaning threads are different size.<br /><br />Here is what I would do. My lower unit is 14 splines and from 1967. Email the seller and ask him how many splines. Re assemble yours and measure the distance from the lower unit frame just below the water pump to the top of the drive shaft. Also do this with the water tube. Email the seller and ask him for these dimensions as well. I dont have a spare water tube but would be interested in the dimension to the top of the drive shaft.

 

[Droll]

Re: What year , West Bend 30hp

Already bought this LU (item 4618377227 ), should be on it's way over here now.<br />But I can re assemble my old unit and measure the length anyway .<br /><br />This Lu uses a shear pin style prop shaft ( same as my old one ).<br />Do you know when WB/Chrysler change to the splined prop shaft ?? <br /><br />Arne Kjetil

 

[eurolarva]

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Dont know when but my 67 is splined with a pin in it. The pin in mine is to hold it in place on the prop shaft however the prob is still hubbed instead of using a shear pin.

 

[byacey]

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My 45HP is a 1965, and it doesn't have a splined prop shaft, so it must have changed in '66 or '67. I am looking for a lower unit myself. Anybody have anything they want to sell? I need gears.

 

[eurolarva]

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Hello Bill. You may be able to take the gears you have and have them re faced at a metals shop. As long as they are not broken and are only rounded have the clutch and gear dogs refaced.

 

[byacey]

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These gears are pretty bad. They sat in water for a long time, and are badly pitted. It looks like they ran in water without oil for a long time also because the gear faces are really worn down excessively. The clutch dog and gear lobes I can remachine myself. I also need the prop shaft seal carrier, it's cracked around the propshaft hole from when I tried driving the old seal out. Perhaps this can be fixed with some creative machining.

 

[eurolarva]

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Hopefully Droll will post back with the results of the lower unit he got on ebay. The hook ups look right it is just the 30 hp instead of it being 35 hp that worries me. If the 35 works you will have a bunch to choose from because 35-55 will usually be the same unit. Go to chrysler crews web site and see if they have a downloadable parts manual for that motor. If so and you buy it post the part numbers for the gears. I can cross them to my chrysler and see if they are the same

 

[byacey]

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Here is what I got from my parts manuals:<br /> A46266 Bevel Gear with Bearing <br /> 99098 Propellor Shaft <br /> A90871-2 Gear Shift Pin <br /> 99521 Clutch <br /> 8568 Spring Pin <br /> 90727 Detent Ball <br /> 90733-1 Retaining Ring Clutch Pin <br /> 40717 Thrust Washer <br /> 2A99023 Front Bevel Gear with Bearing <br /> 40250 Bearing Race <br /> A99662 Rear Bevel Gear with Bushing <br /> 141305 Seal<br /> 127910-2 Bearing <br /> A141298 Bearing Cage<br /> 141118 Seal<br /> 40307-2 Seal<br /> A141054 Gear Housing<br /><br />Used in: 30301, 30302, 30311, 30312, 30321, 30331 <br />35401, 35402, 35431, 35501, 35502,35531 <br />45321,45322, 45331,45332,45421,45422,45431, 45432,45423, 45424,45433, <br />45434, 45521,45522,45531,45532,45361,45362,45371,45372

 

[eurolarva]

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My manual part numbers are the same as yours. Mine is a 45 hp 1967. I bought a 55 hp lower unit on ebay 2 years ago that is still running on my motor. My guess is you can buy any 35-55 lower unit as long as it looks like yours on ebay. Only problem might be if you buy a extended lower unit where the drive shaft and water tube would have to be used from your existing motor. Ebay parts could be junk or they might be okay. If gears and clutch on new one are rounded have them refaced.

 

[byacey]

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Thanks Euro, I'll have to keep my eyes open for a L.U. when it comes along. my driveshaft and housing is all OK, propshaft has a bit of a groove from the seal, but I can fix this either with a sleeve or weld and re-machine. Essentially I just need gears, clutch dog and the prop shaft seal carrier.