What's Wrong with Cheap Oil?

[peterbo3]

G'Day All,<br />I had to start a new topic because the time zone difference means I always come in at the butt end of the good discussions. <br />I see from another topic that Plywoody seems to have a reality adjustment problem. <br />A few points:<br />1. NOBODY repeat NOBODY likes to ship out to some flyblown pesthole halfway around the world and have the citizens of same pesthole do their best to blow his head off.<br />2. Those in charge of those shipping out do not send them away on a whim. Most politicians know that misuse of power will be avenged at the ballot box.<br />3. The lunatics in charge in Iraq had money, connections, absolute power and a intense dislike of the West.<br />4. Other lunatics in the region who adhere to fundamental forms of Islam and also hate the West watch TV.<br />So how do these four points relate to the header topic?<br /><br />If Saddam is shown not to have some form of NBC (Nuclear,Biological&Chemical) weaponry, it matters not.Point 3 and enough time would have remedied that deficiency.<br />If other crazies in the region want to meet their god real quick they know now how to do so.Their local TV has shown them what happens when you fire a RPG7 at a M1 tank.Point 4 explained.<br />If you want to sit on your arse and do nothing to stop your house burning down around you while you wait for the fire brigade to arrive then all they will be able to do is damp down the ashes.In some situations you must act with speed.This was one of those.See Point 2.<br />Point 1 needs no explanation. But without a well trained Military all the talk in the world is just waffle. <br />So what about the cheap oil?<br />It is simple. The old WIN-WIN situation.Iraq loses Saddam. The surrounding hardline lunatics slink back under their rocks for a good while to lick their wounds and wonder what the US Military is going to do with the left-over MOABs. The oil will flow from Iraq in due course and the OPEC cartel will have to cave in. <br />There is nothing wrong with having cheap oil. We still have to consume it whatever the cost. This war was not about oil but if we that's the way things work out then so be it.<br /><br />That's what I think. You can take it or leave it.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Peter.

 

[JB]

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G'Day, Peterbo.<br /><br />Well said, sir.

 

[plywoody]

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So you advocate attacking anyone we wish to, whom we don't like, for pretty much any reason we want to?<br /><br />That's an interesting strategy. How do you plan to fund and man this strategy?<br /><br />Hmm, we are being told that the 250,000 troops we have in Iraq now is in no way enough to sustain rebuilding the government, and necessary services, form a policing funtion, as well do the necessary war mop up and peace keeping operations. <br /><br />Is Australia going to send in a couple hundred thousand extra troops to help?<br /><br />And cheap oil is good, and I have heard over the last several years from conservative think tank types that if we could control Iraqi oil, we could maintain a $15 to $20 a barrel price range, instead of $25 to $30 a barrel.<br /><br />It is not reason enough to start a war over.

 

[12Footer]

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Aw common, Plywoody. Just answer the man's question and quit yer trollin.<br />Jeez

 

[KennyKenCan]

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Thank you 12_footer ,<br /><br />Plywoody's just too scared to come out from under that rock that he dwells in, and hones his rhetoric just p**s-off whoever.<br /><br />Time to ignore this one...fore ever, he will never get it.<br /><br />He's probably one of those going to Washington D.C. to protest the war this weekend, but he's telling everyone he's going to Detroit.<br /><br />Seems everytime he goes somewhere, it coincides with a anti-war protest!

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Thank You!!!! KKC and 12'er.<br /><br />Anymore when I see he has posted something, I just read on cause I know what he has to say without even reading it.<br /><br />Same-o, same-o all the time.

 

[peterbo3]

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Plywoody,<br />I am not advocating attacking every country on this planet at all. My point is that many people seem to think that this war was related to oil and oil alone. I do not believe this to be the case. NBC weapons possession (actual or potential)by Iraq was the trigger. As my initial post stated,if no NBC weapons were found, then it is no major crisis. Saddam ran a brutal dictatorship and that alone was enough to get rid of him. If cheaper oil results from this then so be it. If you do not want cheaper fuel then why not donate the difference to one of the many private Aid Organisations heading into Iraq.<br /><br />That's what I think. You can take it or leave it.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Peter.

 

[marty_scher]

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peterbo3 <br /><br />I agree with your point on oil and war.<br /><br />There is already a oil supply glut on the world markets, so it's doubtful that Iraqi oil will make a big difference in prices.<br /><br />Somebody will get rich off of Iraqi oil, but it won't be drivers of Chevy Suburbans or Hummers.<br /><br />Marty

 

[DJ]

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Nothing's wrong with cheap oil, except it's politically incorrect.

 

[Hooty]

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One more minor observation.<br />If it weren't for foreigners (you can read angelos if you like) those people in the middle east wouldn't know what oil was, what it did, where it came from or how to get it out of the ground. <br />We won't go into the niceties of toilet paper and outhouses.<br /><br />c/6<br /><br />Hooty

 

[FLATHEAD]

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Plywoody you crack me up.

 

[Skinnywater]

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plywoody wrote:<br />"Hmm, we are being told that the 250,000 troops we have in Iraq now is in no way enough to sustain rebuilding the government, and necessary services, form a policing funtion, as well do the necessary war mop up and peace keeping operations." <br /><br />Who told you this?<br />If you haven't heard this from the current administration you aren't getting your information from the horses mouth.

 

[FLATHEAD]

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Oh that crazy Plywoody, he cracks me up!!!!

 

[plywoody]

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You guys are talented at ridicule, but not very talented at refuting arguments. How 'bout addressing the issues raised?<br /><br />I kind of have to chuckle at all this concern over the plight of the Iraqi citizens, however. Back when we were in Kosovo, trying to stop the brutal ethnic cleansing of Milosovic, we were inundated with conservative voices like Tom Delay and many others complaining bitterly of this action, and arguing we had no business being involved. All at a time when our Armed forces were engaged in this action. That apparently was not giving aid to the enemy then.<br />Now of course questioning this war of "liberation" from a brutal dictator is considered treason. Our motives now are of course pure in liberating the Iraqis, even though a couple of years ago, we could care less about the ethnic cleansing. <br />And while I sympathize with the protesters in Washington, at this point the debate on whether the war was just is pretty much an historical one.<br />And I would much prefer to go to Washington than Detroit, and if I were Washington bound, I would announce it proudly.<br />However, what is not historical is what this means to foreign policy going forward. Are we to lead this world by example, or solely by force?<br />What happens to the rest of the "axis of evil" Kim Jong Il (sp?) is busy getting as many nuclear weapons as he can possibly get together as we concentrate on Iraq.<br /><br />And to further expand on the thread topic, Cheap oil is indeed good for us. Who it isn't good for is developing countries, like Mexico and Venezuela and Russia, among others, who depend upon this revenue to build their countries.<br /><br />One thing about the conservatives you can always count on. They will tell you what to fear, who to demonize and blame, and answer the question "What's in it for us?"

 

[12Footer]

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[gonfishn]

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"When we get angry,we will make the best speech we"ll ever regret". Just a thought. He really isn't worth all this.....

 

[boatingfool]

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If the world thought like plywoody we would all be speaking German.<br /><br />Some people just dont get it and probably never will.I dont even think it is thier fault. Nobody can be that ignorant on purpose.

 

[Skinnywater]

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plywoody wrote;<br />"You guys are talented at ridicule, but not very talented at refuting arguments. How 'bout addressing the issues raised?"<br /><br />Notice there wasn't any ridicule in my post. Yes, I'm making an attempt to refute your arguement if only you would address my questions conserning the issue.<br />This is a perfect example of you doing<br />exactly the same things you are blaming us for.<br /><br />Clearly you have to start with quoteing facts. Not party line rhetoric.<br />I've heard your opinions and feelings. You've been well versed in casting a pointing finger, you've played the race card and you've make grand assumptions. This activity has dead ended your points. If you want answers or genuine responses to your points, adjust your arguement accordingly.<br /> You're making it difficult to respond to your posts correctly.<br /><br /> Again, lets start here. <br /><br />plywoody wrote:<br />"Hmm, we are being told that the 250,000 troops we have in Iraq now is in no way enough to sustain rebuilding the government, and necessary services, form a policing funtion, as well do the necessary war mop up and peace keeping operations." <br /><br />Who told you this?<br />If you haven't heard this from the current administration you aren't getting your information from the horses mouth. <br />I.E., Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, the Chiefs of staff and General Tommy Franks.

 

[Mouse]

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Due back in Iraqu Sunday after 1 week away.<br />I

 

[Mouse]

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Due back in Iraqu Sunday after 1 week away.<br />I feel the likes of 12 foter who must be all of two inches by his name and plywood who is aimably the worst boat we have had the worst luck to have known by the most tramp of members. Go get that bin ply!!OOhhhh and here are a few frIES I have left?