When Good Cams Go Bad

rodbolt

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Re: When Good Cams Go Bad

thats funny, I have never had one fail in over 30 years of engine assy.
most lobe failures are due to exccessive cranking at start up. usually due to lack of fuel or improper initial timing or lack of a decent assy lube.
I did watch a friend wipe a new cm in his 440 due to excessive cranking with no start.
most american built iron V8´s use splash lubrication to lube the lifter foot and cam lobe. exccesive cranking means no lube :)
this is from watching and working with them for 30 years not a magazine.
 

Autotech1

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Re: When Good Cams Go Bad

Rodbolt< did you read the article?

Changes in oil due to environmental regulations+ chinese lifters= proper breakin not being enough. Read the article and learn why evrything you know dont count anymore, i dare you. Im sure you havent had one go flat, Its too easy to do it right, but when thibngs change you have to adapt.

Im talking the last 2-3 years here, before that they were the same for 60 years.
 

rodbolt

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Re: When Good Cams Go Bad

yes I read it, not a lot new in it that we havent done for over 30 years.
the oil may or my not be an isue, the jury is still out. usually it can be overcome with a decent assy lube and use of the correct oil, either dino or synthetic.
yes I have seen cheap cam/lifter combos ,usually purchased online cheap, fail. I have also seen the cheapo bearings fail rapidly. thats why I do not shop online. I like looking at the guy thats selling and stnding behind the parts sold.
thats why on most of our large lift long duration cams we used we installed a single spring with a damper and ran the engine at moderate loads for an hour or so. that way we could break in the lifter/lobe before adding 350PSI open pressure valve springs.
you may be amazed on some of the technology some of us old timers keep up with or who we may call to ask :):).
as far as various lifter companies going under so have mny carburator manufactures.
carbs are just a waste of money and gasoline and most mnufactures just want out. doesnt mean I cant deal with EFI/DFI nor will I forget how a carb works and how to repair and tune them.
what the article should have ended with is the caveat, if your unsure what oils,spring pressures,assy lubes or cam/lifter breakin procedure should be used then to call the tech line for the compny you purchased the product from. this doesnt mean the guy at the napa parts counter as there is a good chance they know less than you.
but thats also the reason I dont use many aftermarket parts, buy it from the engine supplier/mnufaturer and it works first time everytime time after time.
 

HT32BSX115

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Re: When Good Cams Go Bad

This is precisely what happened to the cam in my OMC 460 engine. When it would only reach about 4200 WOT I discovered that it had several flat cam lobes with 165+ psi compression...

I cannot say that excessive cranking caused it since it usually started right up. But when my brother had it he used Castrol 20W-50 oil with Slick 50 Snake oil additive.

(Hey!!....maybe I could conclude that Slick50 caused this!!)


Newer oils are being made with less and less zddp additive since the zinc compounds are poisoning the cat converters in gas engines. They are going to pull zddp out of the latest spec diesel oils because it may be causing other bad emissions too......

http://feerc.ornl.gov/publications/bunting01.shtml

We always throw out the baby with bath water don't we? (Marine oils will be next of course since cat converters are coming for marine engines!)


If you thought you were safe using diesel rated oils it's gonna happen with them too since zddp has a lot of phosphorus in it along with sulfer....

http://www.sae.org/technical/papers/2006-01-3312


Regardless of what happens, oils for diesels (and other type engines ) will still have to meet or exceed ASTM D5966:
"Roller Follower Wear Test"

http://www.rollerfollower.swri.org/


So, maybe all is not lost!



Regards,

Rick
 

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Re: When Good Cams Go Bad

In the olden days Mercury recommended only 40# high detergent oil, guess I am old fashioned because I still use it, even in my cars and we have many below 0 morning here in the winter. My last car was a 92 Chrysler with a 3.3 engine it had 240,000+ miles when I gave it to my son who still drives it in the 13 years I drove it, it always started well and did not use oil and still does not. It had 2 oil changes a year, spring and fall, so as you must see I am not a believer in multi-grade oils, if it won't stick to a hot part what good does it do. I have to use the crap in my new 5.7 Chrysler for warrenty purposes Bob
 

HT32BSX115

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Re: When Good Cams Go Bad

Be vewy vewy careful.......this'll turn into an oil thwead!!

Besides.....I'm hunting wabbits!



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