Where did Mariner come from?

haddles

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From what I can see, a Mariner is just a Mercury with a different coloured cowl. What's the point in having Mariner? Where did the brand name come from and how long has it been around? I was shopping around for a new outboard and the Mariner dealer said that if I wanted a Mercury he could stick a different cowl on. Has this always been the case?
 

b.gagnon

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Re: Where did Mariner come from?

It is the same as Evinrude/Johnson.....
 

Paul Moir

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Re: Where did Mariner come from?

Back in the 70s/80s/90s the smaller Mariners were rebadged Yamahas. They're easy to spot because they use the Yamaha serial number system nnn-serialnumber.
 

Chinewalker

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Re: Where did Mariner come from?

As I understood it Mercury and Yamaha had an agreement where Mercury would sell re-badged Yamahas under the Mariner name, up to 60hp, with Mercury handling the motors above that. Yamaha, at the time, didn't have a full line of motors available (2-250, etc.) and this was their way of getting their foot in the door of the U.S. Market. The deal ran out in 1986 when Yamaha entered under their own name.<br /><br />Mercury kept the Mariner name into the late 1990s, offering pretty much identical lines of Mercs and Mariners. Part of it was due to brand loyalty and trying to keep the dealers happy. If I recall, Mercury had some requirements for dealers along the lines that there can't be two Merc dealers within a certain area, but a Mariner dealer could be located near a Mercury dealer. If Mercury had just dropped the Mariner line in 1986 they would have had a lot of unhappy Mariner dealers who now would have to either drop outboards alltogether or take on another brand so as to not compete with the local Merc dealer.<br /><br />Merc and Yamaha still have a love/hate relationship with some 4-stroke stuff coming from Yamaha, but then claiming foul about some of Yamaha's marketing and importing methods...<br /><br />- Scott
 

Paul Moir

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Re: Where did Mariner come from?

They must have held on a bit longer outside the USA. 90s would be pushing it, but I think there were 1990 Yamaha made Mariners. I've completely taken apart a '89 Yamaha made (edit) Mariner. (dang driveshaft sleeve on those things!)
 

haddles

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Re: Where did Mariner come from?

Mercury's US web site is a bit vague on Mariner. Do you mean to say that you can't buy a new Mariner in the USA now? You can still get them here but they are just Mercury's with different decals. The range is identical with all HP models available.
 

Solittle

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Re: Where did Mariner come from?

haddles - Yep - no new Mariners sold in the US.
 

phatmanmike

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Re: Where did Mariner come from?

mercury started the mariner name to appeal to a new crowd. they used the name mariner to show " seaworthyness" and " ruggedness". names that mercury just wasnt known for. me4rcury was well known for speed and racing especially, but thats not to say that their motors WERENT rugged or sea worthy, they just wanted a brand that would showcase a different aspect of the same product, to appeal to a broader customer base.
 

roscoe

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Re: Where did Mariner come from?

2004 was the last year for Mariner in the USA.<br />Still available abroad.
 

Texasmark

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Re: Where did Mariner come from?

I agree with myoutboards. Mariner was just an excust to allow Merc a wider dealer base to suck up more customers. Also agree about the seaworthyness image for the "yuppie" crowd who wanted something good and stout....to get them there and back in any weather.<br /><br />And then there is the crowd that didn't like Merc for some reason or another; or just didn't like black paint....who knows.<br /><br />My 2c.<br /><br />Mark
 
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