Which motor to buy?

nadnerbster

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G'day,

I'm new to boating and would like a bit of advice on repowering my runabout.

I have a 1977 Evinrude 55 2 stroke on the back of my 4.2 metre 1990's carribean fibreglass runabout. Repairing it twice cost me big dollars and it now needs another costly repair so I'm looking at replacements.

From ringing around Sydney and the Central Coast, looking for 40-60hp motors for $7000 or under, my current frontrunner is the Mercury 60hp followed very closely by the Mercury 40hp (both in 2 stroke, ELPTO etc). Both have oil injection, power tilt and trim etc, which other motors in a similar price range don't have.

The 60 is about $1500 more than the 40.

I'd like to respectfully ask members what they think:

  • Are there any other, better motors in this price range which I have missed (Sydney and surrounds)?
  • Is it worth going the 60hp over the 40hp? Will I get a significant speed/power advantage? Is 60 overkill for a 4.2 metre fibreglass boat?
  • Can anyone recommend a good dealer for price/service (if I'm permitted to ask that here)?
  • My old motor got me 30 knots according to the GPS - will a new 40 achieve that, or close to it? Any idea what a 60 would get me?

Thanks in advance. I'm looking at getting the new motor within the next few weeks.

I know my questions are somewhat subjective in nature, particularly with speed/preferred brand - but any advice would be much appreciated.
 

seahorse5

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Re: Which motor to buy?

My recommendation is to check out Huett Marine Center and talk to Craig Huett. He is familiar with both Merc and Evinrude outboards and will give you the straight information. His dealership is one of the most highly respected marine operations in the Sydney area.

Tell him he was recommended by Mr. Seahorse.

http://www.huettmarine.com.au/about_us.htm

Good luck with your adventure.
 

steelespike

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Re: Which motor to buy?

Is your boat about 14ft? If you only boat with one or 2 people the 40 will work fine.
Take a close look at the Evinrude Etec. No service for 3 years or 300 hours,no breakin,fewer less complicated service intervals.The 40,50 and 60 are based on the same engine.
Just checked on line saw a 40 tiller electric.for $4,500.
 

nadnerbster

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Re: Which motor to buy?

Is your boat about 14ft? If you only boat with one or 2 people the 40 will work fine.
Take a close look at the Evinrude Etec. No service for 3 years or 300 hours,no breakin,fewer less complicated service intervals.The 40,50 and 60 are based on the same engine.
Just checked on line saw a 40 tiller electric.for $4,500.

Yep - 4.2 metres - 14 foot or thereabouts.

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I have no doubt a 40 would work fine, however after doing my research here and on other forums, it would appear that I would be mad not to spend the money and get the highest horsepower rating that I can.

Evinrude Etec wasn't really on my shopping list due to the extra cost. However, I saw a review comparing the Etec with other 4 and 2 stroke motors (all 40hp IIRC), and the fuel use and oil use figures are very attractive to me. Around 4 litres, or a gallon an hour less than the other motors - I live close to a rather long river and I'd like the extra range.

Craig Huett also recommended the Etec, said it'd pay for itself in the long run (Mr Seahorse - you didn't warn me, that guy can talk!!! Certainly would appear to know his stuff though). I'm not 100% sure that it will, it will depend on how much I use it - but it looks like the better product anyway. If nothing else, the resale value is likely to be much better (if I manage to keep it in good nick!).

I've got the easter break to think about it, then I'll probably make a decision next week. Fingers crossed!

I didn't have time to tell the tale of woe that is my current motor last time I posted, so I figured I'd mention it . . .

I bought this boat in late January, it was very much an impulse buy - a bargain on Ebay. I was assured it was in perfect mechanical order and certainly it seemed that way to my untrained eyes.

Anyway - took it out, everything ran great. After my third trip I got a couple of mates together and we hit Sydney Harbour for a day's fishing.

We didn't catch a thing - except for the burley bucket's rope around the prop . . . We'd lost the burley bucket earlier and didn't realise the rope had wrapped itself around the prop. So when the motor started over-revving and we lost most forward speed, lifting the engine up revealed that culprit. We unwound the rope, then the motor worked fine for the next couple of minutes - we'd spun the propeller hub, and we had to travel the last 4 miles or so to the boat ramp at about 2 knots (lucky we were able to move at all!).

So - took it in for repair and for service. Needed a new prop, new water pump, and a few other things doing to it - $700 and a couple of weeks later, good to go. I wanted to try it out so I took it straight to the Nepean river and launched. It was great - I was getting 30 knots, a full 4 more than previously. Ran perfectly for half an hour . . . then the engine lost power and the boat went from 30 knots down to about 5. Throttling back to idle, the motor lost power completely. I managed to restart it and travel a little distance - after a while, the overheat alarm sounded, so I shut it off - restarting this time was a complete failure. After a few failed attempts the motor wouldn't turn over at all.

So after an hour of being stuck in the middle of nowhere in a national park with no mobile phone reception, I managed to flag down some waterskiiers who generously towed me to a nearby boat ramp, then drove me the 15km or so to where my car was.

Back to the shop - this time, the culprit was the Power Pack. It'd failed, so one cylinder wasn't sparking. My attempts to restart had destroyed the solenoid and some coils in the starter motor.

I reluctantly parted company with another $600 of my hard earned after being assured that the motor was otherwise basically fine, and another couple of weeks later I got the boat back. This time, before going out, I bought an electric trolling motor - I wasn't going to be caught with my pants down again! I figured if worst came to worst I could troll until I found somewhere that I could hail a taxi from.

Took the boat out - motor ran perfectly. For all of 5 minutes. I'd throttled back to idle, and the motor just stopped - and no amount of restarting attempts would get it going again. Trolling motor managed in 40 minutes or so to get me back to the ramp.

So this time it's some other electrical doobelacky which acts a bit like an alternator apparently, providing spark. Supposedly not the powerpack (which is believable enough as the symptoms were different). They're saying it would cost me $500 minimum.

I could repair it. But my confidence in that motor is completely shot. I'm slightly pissed off with the mechanics, whether reasonably or unreasonably, I feel some of that money could've gone towards repowering the boat. Still - "a boat is a hole in the water that you throw money into", and I figure a lot of my troubles are my own fault - what do you expect from a cheapie from Ebay?

Anyway - that's my cautionary tale of woe. And another reason to look closely at the etec's 5 year warranty . . .
 

1979checkmate

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Re: Which motor to buy?

Those evinrudes are great motors imho. I wouldn't be so hesitiant to just get it repaired. If you want peace of mind then do a compression test to make sure the cylinders have good compression and totally redo the electrical system and rebuild carbs etc.. This is what i did this winter to my old mercury 6 cylinder. When you are done it will be good as new. I am like you and i got very tired of fixing things here and there on the old motor, but it had near perfect compression, so i spent about 500.00 this winter going through it. I did do all of the work myself, though. If you are at all mechanical, then an outboard will be a piece of cake- it's like working on a multiple cylinder chainsaw.
 

nadnerbster

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Re: Which motor to buy?

Those evinrudes are great motors imho. I wouldn't be so hesitiant to just get it repaired. If you want peace of mind then do a compression test to make sure the cylinders have good compression and totally redo the electrical system and rebuild carbs etc.. This is what i did this winter to my old mercury 6 cylinder. When you are done it will be good as new. I am like you and i got very tired of fixing things here and there on the old motor, but it had near perfect compression, so i spent about 500.00 this winter going through it. I did do all of the work myself, though. If you are at all mechanical, then an outboard will be a piece of cake- it's like working on a multiple cylinder chainsaw.

I wish I was mechanically proficient!!

I'm able to roughly understand how a motor works. unfortunately the limit of my expertise when it comes to fixing them is changing battery leads. I don't have the knowledge, skill or tools required unfortunately.

I could repair my old one, but I've had 3 breakdowns in 3 outings - I just have no confidence in the motor anymore, I couldn't go more than a few metres from a boat ramp with it. A new motor would give me that confidence back, especially with the manufacturer claiming it'll need no work for 3 years . . .

That said - perhaps i'll put the motor on ebay, I'm sure someone mechanically minded would get some use out of it . . .
 
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