Which pitch?

bkretchman

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In an attempt to achieve better fuel ecomony with a heavier load for my boat:

26' Wellcraft Aft Cabin 260 - 1986
Merc 7.4 454
Alpha One Drive
5000-6000 lbs
4500 - 5000 RPM WOT

I have decided to go from a 3 blade to 4 blade prop. A prop professional had strongly suggested I go from my 3 blade QuickSilver Mirage to a PowerTech 4 Blade... both stainless. My current 3 blade has a 17" pitch and the 4 blade he suggest is also a 17" pitch.

I've heard some folks say that you should drop down an inch when going from a 3 blade to a 4 blade. I'm wondering if I need to. Any feedback is a appreciated.
 

Silvertip

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Re: Which pitch?

Is the 4500 - 5000 rpm what you actually see on the tach? And improving fuel economy by changing pitch to lower engine rpm may have exactly the opposite effect. Slowing the engine down with a prop change means to maintain the same speed you had before the throttle actually needs to be open farther because the engine is now laboring (lugging if you will). That burns more gas, not less. The correct prop is one that allows the engine to run at or very near the top end of the engine manufacturers recommended WOT rpm band. That prop is also the one that will give you the best economy and speed and is best for the engine. The last hooker is that the money you spend for a four blade stainless prop will never be saved in fuel savings. You own a boat. They are not economy champs and cannot be made to be one.
 

bkretchman

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Re: Which pitch?

Thanks for your feeback. There's more to it actually. When the boat is at a full load, it has a hard time getting on plain. The throttle is always near full open just to maintain any practical forward speed. A few experts have recommended a four blade prop to help the boat get up on plain in this situation. I'm not expecting to have a "economical boat" by any means but I know I can shave off a few gallons per hour. My question is whether or not I need to drop an inch in pitch as some people recommend. The expert I'm working with doesn't seem to think so but I'm wondering what others may think.
 

ArcadianStar

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Re: Which pitch?

Don't drop in pitch. Lower pitch is lower gear. Lower gear will burn more fuel. More blades usually means better performance.

But, if you drop down in pitch you will give up speed and gain power. Put a 15 piutch on if you want more power...

In the OLD days race boat ran two blades, today most race boat run four blades or five blades...

Why? They work better!
 

hwsiii

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Re: Which pitch?

B, Silvertip is 100% right, Lowering the RPM below Minimum recommended WOT will 95% of the time INCREASE your fuel usage and lower your fuel economy.

You might try looking at this post to get an idea of how to change your prop for better performance, in my opinion.

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=365653

A 4 blade prop will normally help a boat like yours because of the high weight to power ratio, as it will lower your prop slip to gain back speed that is being wasted with high prop slip. Your expert is probably right about the 4 blade Power Tech, but I try to approach it from a mathematical approach as well to vindicate my theories. If you would like my help fill out this form with everything that you know about your boat, and I will be glad to help you as much as humanly possible.

Just copy this form to your computer and paste it into a word processing program and fill it out, then paste it into your post.

Iboats Boat and Motor Info

1. Year, make and model of boat

2. Length, width and base weight of boat, look for boat decal on back of boat

2a.What is the maximum recommended HP for your boat

3. Number of people and gallons of gas normally on boat

4. What do you use the boat for

5. Is it a Deep Vee and if so how many degrees of Deadrise

6. Year, manufacturer and model of motor

7. HP and gear ratio of motor IMPORTANT
If you don?t know the ratio, you need to pull the plugs out and put a piece of tape across the prop and the lower unit and then cut it between the prop and the housing then do the same thing on the flywheel and turn the motor until the tape lines up with each other on the prop, it is easier if two people do this, so one can watch the prop while the other counts the revolutions of the motor

8. Manufacturer?s recommended Wide Open Throttle (WOT) range

9. Anti-ventilation Plate height above the bottom of the transom of boat if it is an outboard in inches, use a straight edge or a board under the keel and sticking out to the anti ventilation plate for a reference, and take about 4 pictures for us to see.

AntiventilationPlateStraightEdge-2.jpg


10. Is it a bass boat or does it have a pad bottom

11. Does it have a hydrafoil, dolefin or trim tabs

12. Manufacturer, model, diameter, pitch, number of blades and whether SS or aluminum props.
IMPORTANT
1.
2.
3.

13. WOT RPM and speed from your current prop and how much gas and how many people were in the boat for the test data and is the speed by GPS. Make sure you trim the prop up until it starts ventilating and then just trim in until it quits ventilating. If you do not have a tach you can buy a Tiny Tach for less than $ 50
RPM ___________ Speed (GPS)___________ No. of people ____________ Gal. Gas ________

14. Are you at sea level or a higher elevation, give us the elevation in feet __________

15. Has your motor been tuned up lately and have you checked that the carburetor butterfly is opening all the way by only using the control on the console, checked compression, looked at the plugs and checked spark, is the bottom of the boat clean and barnacle free, and have you checked the Tachometer against a mechanics tach, all of the foregoing could be the reason your prop is not attaining full RPM.

16. How long has this prop been on the boat and why, at this time, do you think it is the wrong prop.

17. Does the prop show any damage that you can see

18. What problems are you trying to cure or what are you looking for the boat to do that it is not doing the way you think it should or to your expectations

19. If you are trying to attain a better cruising speed and fuel savings or trying to attain a faster speed I will want you to take your boat and run it with 1 or 2 people and give me the RPM and speed readings starting at 3,000 RPM in 500 RPM increments all the way to WOT.
1. 3000 RPM
2. 3500 RPM
3. 4000 RPM
4. 4500 RPM
5. 5000 RPM
6. 5500 RPM
7. 6000 RPM

REMEMBER, The numbers I give you will be NO better than the information you give me.​

The only thing I ask of you is to come back and give me a report of WOT RPM and speed for my database.


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bkretchman

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Re: Which pitch?

Thank you hwsiii. I will take you up on this. It will take me some time to get this info for you. I will reply back with it as soon as I can.
 

hwsiii

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Re: Which pitch?

B, I understand and I will be waiting for your information so we can find a much better prop for your needs.


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