whining at WOT

Rellik546

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hey guys,

again want to thanks for all the help i have been given by many of the members here, my brother and i managed to remove, and replace the stringers, deck and transom with all of your help, as well as remove engine, drive, and reinstall. we had a great summer on the boat, after lots of fine tuning, and replacing fuel and ignition parts, and rebuilding the carb to solve a bogging issue.

I have an 85 mercruiser 3.0L 140, 130hp with an alpha one outdrive

Toward the end of the season, a whining noise that increased in noise from quiet at idle, to audible from captains chair through dog house at 3,000 rpm, to very loud at WOT. the noise is high pitched, almost like a whistle but not quite. Im thinking its a bearing, i thought maybe it was the gimbal bearing but couldnt get my ear close enough, well i just removed the outdrive and inspected the bearing its fine. no side to side, up or down play. spins freely, no sound.

Is this sound a bearing? maybe in the motor itself? ive tried searching the threads but couldnt find anything quite like my noise. or at least described in the same manner. I did have a bad drive belt, that was squealing and i tightened it via the adjustable alternator mount. the belt had almost no play. then i replaced it with a new belt and gave it about 1/2 deflection. no more squeal. could it be the bearing in the alternator pulley?

any ideas will help, i looked at the manual and cant seem to find anything on it... so what parts when gone bad make a high pitch whinning sound that increases with rpm? its def coming from the dog house and not the drive, ive removed the dog house while it was making the noise, i just couldnt figure out where it was coming from.
 

tpenfield

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Re: whining at WOT

my whole crew tends to whine at WOT, but that's a different situation. :D

A long tube (like the extensions to a vacuum cleaner attachment) will help you isolate the noise.

Out of curiosity - I see lots of forum members getting lots of boats that need lots of work. I see from your post that you did lots of work on your boat to get it ready for this past summer. I am curious as to how the money compared of initial purchase price versus total cost after it was all fixed up.
 

ziggy

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Re: whining at WOT

A long tube (like the extensions to a vacuum cleaner attachment) will help you isolate the noise.
that's where i'm at too. i call it a hearing hose. i use any 'ol piece of heater type hose i got laying around. it'll amplify the sound. listen to one end of it. probe with the other end till ya locate the odd sound..
 

fishrdan

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Re: whining at WOT

The hose thing works good to isolate sounds. I recently bought a mechanics stethoscope from Harbor Freight for $5 when I needed to identify an engine noise the hose couldn't pin point. It worked great as I could hear how the bearings were running and found the bad one. A loooong screw driver will do the same thing, but the mechanics stethoscope is far easier to use.
 

gus-gus

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Re: whining at WOT

yup external/hose,,,,internal/stethoscope ....
 

series60

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Re: whining at WOT

Toward the end of the season, a whining noise that increased in noise from quiet at idle, to audible from captains chair through dog house at 3,000 rpm, to very loud at WOT. the noise is high pitched, almost like a whistle but not quite. Im thinking its a bearing, i thought maybe it was the gimbal bearing but couldnt get my ear close enough, well i just removed the outdrive and inspected the bearing its fine. no side to side, up or down play. spins freely, no sound.

Remove belt/belts and see if everything spins as it should. Alternators can whine when the bearings go.
 

Rellik546

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Re: whining at WOT

bought a mechanics stethoscope. started my motor without drive on as im replacing the impeller. i had no water running to it but i was only gonna run the motor for about 10 seconds just to fog it real quick. as i was doing this i probed the water pump and the alternator with the stethoscope and the exact noise i heard at higher rpms was heard in the alternator. i have a mando alternator, i took it apart, both the front and rear bearings had play in them rocking the inner race and outer race in opposite directions from each other. it was smooth if i spun it, however there are just close tolerances. i was going to replace just the front bearing, but then found that the back bearing where the bushings are also had some play.


Im looking to get a new alternator. my motor was rebuilt, and they put the old alternator on the new rebuilt one....nothing wrong with that but now that it is blown. i could have it rebuilt, or buy a new one.

There are several different styles that mercruiser used for this motor 85 mcm 140. would the prestolite (motorola)one be better its bi directional. i keep reading that the mando was a poor design.

what do you guys recommend for a new, or rebuilt alternator...the same mando, or a different one? can anyone supply me with the part number as to look up compatible alternators.


thanks in advance


Also, i am aware not to run a motor without a water supply going to it...however i took the chance to run the engine for what equated to about 10 seconds if not less. 10 secs doesnt seem like a long enough time to heat the block up, i could be wrong.... if i am im sure someone will post. but its been done, and i dont plan on doing it again.
 

gus-gus

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Re: whining at WOT

I don't believe you did anything wrong. The block isn't the issue completely, The heads get hot quickly, and hotspots do occur, so it was wise to limit it to a 10 sec run. However it is awesome that you found your trouble. GOOD FIND!
 

RogersJetboat454

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Re: whining at WOT

Im looking to get a new alternator. my motor was rebuilt, and they put the old alternator on the new rebuilt one....nothing wrong with that but now that it is blown. i could have it rebuilt, or buy a new one.

There are several different styles that mercruiser used for this motor 85 mcm 140. would the prestolite (motorola)one be better its bi directional. i keep reading that the mando was a poor design.

what do you guys recommend for a new, or rebuilt alternator...the same mando, or a different one? can anyone supply me with the part number as to look up compatible alternators.

The Mando alternator has assumably worked fine for the last 26 years. Why not get it rebuilt? You know it will fit fine with no wiring changes after...


Also, i am aware not to run a motor without a water supply going to it...however i took the chance to run the engine for what equated to about 10 seconds if not less. 10 secs doesnt seem like a long enough time to heat the block up, i could be wrong.... if i am im sure someone will post. but its been done, and i dont plan on doing it again.

Not a problem with the drive off... ;)
 
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fishrdan

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Re: whining at WOT

I would probably be replacing the impeller anyway now that it's been run dry.

He had the drive off to replace the impeller, when the engine was dry run for 10 seconds :D

I have a DB alternator on my boat and it works fine. One thing to be aware of, they are China knockoff parts so they might not be 100% perfect, maybe 99% :rolleyes: I had to to re-clock the back housing so the wiring would match up correctly (no biggie), but the clearance between the screen shell and the bolts was so close I had to hammer a socket onto the bolts. As I was wielding the hammer I was thinking to myself, cheap POS China part... But, it's been working great for the past year or 2, so I guess it's OK.
 

Rellik546

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Re: whining at WOT

im not too familiar with alternators or rebuilding them...when i took it apart, the stator had wires that were soldered to a piece, not sure what it is, but in my process of taking it apart, those wires ripped off, not sure if its fixable, and i need a new rotor as u cant replace the back bearing without replacing that whole piece because the bear is inbetween the magnets and the bushings on the other side, both are press on i believe...could be wrong but service manual says you need to replace as a whole unit. so im not sure if someone can rebuild it... i guess i can call and ask. ill probably just buy a new one for a piece of mind. they are like 80 on ebay, they say new, maybe they are remanufactured...because the ones on here are like 150 to 300
 
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