boater1234
Master Chief Petty Officer
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Sorry i started this thread and in no way did mean to offend anyone or argue with anyone.I was trying to find out some info.
I whole heartedly agree with you charlie,it's def a lack of people taking care of their motors.On the other hand i def take care of mine like new.Change the plugs once a yr,change the lower unit oil once a yr and the impeller once a yr ,also grease the fittings and your motor will be bulletproof.I also flush my motor everytime whether in salt or freshwater and i also put a anti corrosion lube on it after every time i use it and it looks like factory condition.I use some stuff called sentry fuel treatments also that is just unreal stuff as far as if you get water in your system,i think imo it's the best fuel treatment around and can be found in fl.I also run non ethanol gas as i go to the marina and get it.I do run 50:1 in all my motors,i was just trying to understand why 100:1 can't be ran without hurting it.I will just stick to a 50:1 in all my motors no matter what.I do everything i possiblely can to make sure my motors run right for a long time.
I have never heard that before.That you can't run full synthetic oil in a small outboard that is fully false whoever said that.I have ran full synthetic oil in every small outboard i have ever owned up to 25hp.Plus that is also false about the optimax as they make non synthetic oil for them also.You can run reg walmart super tech in your optimax if you want as there is a ton of people who do so and have no problems.The optimax is no different then the etec and they both can be ran on reg tcw3 oil,would i do that probally not because that is just me.If you read the label on reg walmart tcw3 oil it states on there it can be used for direct injected motors or premix.If i owned a bigger motor again like my 70hp yamaha 2 stroke i would use full synthetic oil in it.When i buy my new 25hp outboard here soon whether it's a new 25hp 2stroke merc or the 25hp etec i will run my own oil and not theirs but it will be full synthetic oil no matter what.Everyone has their opinions on this and to be frank no one is really wrong as you can run whatever oil you choose as it will all work at the right ratio.
Synthetics will not hurt any motor anytime.I ran full synthetics in a brand new 9.8 tohatsu 2stroke for 9yrs and it works just as good as the day i bought it.The compression on both cylinders is perfect.If you were to ask anyone this question they would tell you the same.Very few people i know don't even run the reg tcw3 oil anymore not to say it's bad as i have used walmart super tech oil for many yrs as others have and have never had a problem.I choose to run full synthetic oil for a bunch of reasons,one is it's biodegradable,2 it produces way less smoke,3 it has darn near 0 carbon buildup so you don't have to decarb,4 it protects way better then dino oil.Whether one guy is right or not i will take my chances on always using synthetics in everything i own all the way down to a weed wacker.Until i see one failure due to synthetic oil then it will never change my mind.I have never in my life heard of anyone using small outboards that has had a problem with full synthetic tcw3 oil.Like i said give it a few more yrs and there will be nothing but synthetics in the boat industry.
Oil injected motors run at 100/1 at idle and at full throttle comes down to 50/1 at full throttle... I would never run 100/1..We run 40/1 in our Merc V6's for added lubrication at high rpms that we spin. You don't want to run full synthetic in a steel bore motors. Other forums I am on explain this and I don't want to try.. My bridgeport 2.4 liter sleeves are Nickasel and requires full synthectic oil. NOT One of the guys I hang with(all racing V6's Merc's)will run Amsoil as an FYI. We don't blow up motors that cost upwards of $$20,000 Run the synthectic blends that are available in your motor and forget the wild goose chase. I am with JB...to much testing has been done by the manufacturer so why try and invent the wheel. ..
I think you've found your answer. Many posters have put in much time & effort to provide you with their thoughtful and informed opinions. It has been good to hear all sides. In my humble opinion, however, coming back to the same question - after all this discussion - might not be appreciated. It was a great discussion though - thanks for bringing it up.i always run what the mauf says it was just a curious question that no one can seem to answer as i guess there is no answer to it.
Just as you said opinions,i don't want opinions i want facts if people have them if not it's ok.Also i do appreciate what people are saying as i already know to run it on 50:1.That is not what i'm after.Im after what make the motors different that one can run a different ratio of oil thats the anwer i'm looking for that has not been provided for me.If it can't be anwered that is ok i will just google it and see what i can find.I think you guys are taking this the wrong way and in no way am i ungrateful for the advice everyone is providing.
The thing is i know to run it on 50:1 i just wanted to know what differs in the motors that the manuf says to run one on 50:1 and the other 100:1,that is all i want to know.This is just a very curious question i have thought of for many yrs and just figured i would ask it to make a discussion about.I don't know why people are taking this the wrong way like i don't care what people are saying or i'm not listening to them as i am.I asked this question to try and learn from people what makes outboard engines different at the same hp or brand.
I just want to know what seperates the small,mercs and yamahas or even other small 2 stroke outboards of this hp from using a different oil ratio.I am just trying to learn a bit more about these motors on oil,why they differ so much as 100:1 and 50:1 is a wide margin for an oil ratio.I'm sorry if everyone thinks i'm ungrateful as i meant no disrespect to anyone here,i just want to know the facts on this subject.So far everyone has posted the same thing in a different way follow the manuf specs,belive me i do understand that.I was just wondering if someone has actually tore down a few of these small motors and while they were doing that they saw some differences in the motors,thats all i'm wondering.Maybe there is a outboard mechanic who knows the difference when he tore them down.Like i said this is just a curious question that has rolled around in my head for many yrs and what better place to ask it but here.