Windows Vista

Plainsman

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I have been using it for about 3 weeks at work (Business version). I upgraded from XP Pro. I like the look and have a few problems:

1]Networked printers had to be deleted and added
2]Symantec AV Corp edition 10.1 is not compatible but 10.2 is
3]Had to find video driver and re-install it
4]CPU usage is way up (maxes out regularly)
5]Memory usage is way up ( 1 gb installed and at 60% steady)
6]So, machine is a bit slower than with Pro
7]Outlook had macro warnings everytime I hit reply. Had to use the VB editor in Outlook to fix it

Maybe a fresh install would not have created some of these problems. But I will NOT push it to clients until SP1 is released. Let someone else deal with headaches other than me.
 

Boomyal

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The following was just emailed to me by my business program guru.

All... Copied from SmallBizResource:


The Truth About Vista
John Mello runs Windows Vista Adviser and reports on the 'unsurprising' results

January 30, 2007

The last time I was faced with a Windows operating system upgrade I took the coward's way out and bought a new computer.

Since my current computer is less than eight months old, I don't think I'll be buying a new one just to install Vista when it's released tomorrow. Neither do I think that I'll be upgrading to the new operating system anytime soon. Nevertheless, on a lark, I decided to run Microsoft's Vista Upgrade Adviser on my machine to see if it could handle the new operating system. I'd like to say that the results were surprising but they weren't.

The adviser recommended that I uninstall my disc burning and multimedia management software before installing Vista. "After upgrading, you can reinstall the program," Microsoft cheerily advised, "but it might not work as expected due to compatibility issues."
It added that my scanner wouldn't work with the new operating system and then proceeded to identify nine programs on my system — including three made by Microsoft — that might have "minor compatibility issues" after upgrading to Vista.

My woes and many more will be awaiting those brave souls who attempt to upgrade their legacy systems to Vista, Chris Null, Yahoo! Tech's "Working Guy" advisor, tells me. "Most people aren't going to be running upgrade adviser," he maintains. "They're going to grab the software and try to install it themselves. Then they're going to be shocked when a lot of things don't work."

"A lot of these computers that people will be trying to install Vista on just aren't ready to run it," he continues. "They don't have the physical requirements to meet Vista's high-end needs."

He says that the minimum requirements for Vista are one gigabyte of RAM, a dual-core microprocessor and a graphics card that's 18 months old or less.

The confusion begins right at the store shelf. When Microsoft released Windows XP, I thought bifurcating the operating system into "home" and "professional" editions was confusing, but Vista is even worse. There are four versions of the operating system: Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, and Ultimate. Actually, there are only three versions because Home Basic is more of a marketing ploy than an operating system.

"They're trying to show you that you can get into Vista for under $100 by upgrading to the Home Basic version, but after using it for more than about 10 minutes, no one will be satisfied with that and will immediately want to upgrade," Null says.

Who really needs to upgrade to Vista? "In a nutshell, nobody," Null declares.

"There's one small group of people who will need to upgrade. That's high-end gamers.

Windows Vista will include the new DirectX 10 and you need that to play some of the new greatly anticipated games that will be coming out."

"When it comes to upgrading to Vista," he adds, "it's a huge undertaking that people really need to seriously consider before they jump into it."

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Better to buy a new computer!!
 

ZmOz

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Microsoft sent me a beta copy over a year ago. 8) I have no interest in upgrading, XP works fine for me. Why learn something new?
 

mscher

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After a two year delay, it's very possible the command to "get it out the door" was likely given. IT folks know how that scenario plays out.

The final "Charlie" testing will probably be done by paying customers, under the watchful red eyes of stressed-out IT people and overworked software vendors.

Since XP mostly does the job, at least waiting for the first Vista service pack, may be the most prudent thing to do.
 

ndemge

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I usually hold out for about 2 years before adopting the new OS. Win2k is just now starting to have real compatibility/support issues with new hardware/software.

With the way it is such a resource hog, I won't be upgrading until the industry makes in necessary.

I did watch a couple videos today on youtube, I do like the way the new alt-tab works, but it looks like a lot of overhead "pretty" I don't want stuff popping up and deciding what it thinks I want it to do.

But they still have command prompt, and you can run "administrator" command prompt from a user mode.
 

Plainsman

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And it's a big pain to add to a domain, I have forgotton the steps, but's it more thn it used to be.
 

ZmOz

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ndemge said:
I did watch a couple videos today on youtube, I do like the way the new alt-tab works, but it looks like a lot of overhead "pretty" I don't want stuff popping up and deciding what it thinks I want it to do.

Yeah, that's what I don't like about it. Too much uneccessary crap, it's like playing a game when you're just trying to read an email. If anything, I'll start using Windows 2003, which is the Vista kernel stripped down to look much like win 2000. There's even a hack to make 2k3 look almost exactly like XP.
 

BoatBuoy

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I've said for years that MS is Intel's best sales force. The OS overhead driving high-end processor sales
 

i386

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Plainsman said:
I have been using it for about 3 weeks at work (Business version). I upgraded from XP Pro. I like the look and have a few problems:

1]Networked printers had to be deleted and added
2]Symantec AV Corp edition 10.1 is not compatible but 10.2 is
3]Had to find video driver and re-install it
4]CPU usage is way up (maxes out regularly)
5]Memory usage is way up ( 1 gb installed and at 60% steady)
6]So, machine is a bit slower than with Pro
7]Outlook had macro warnings everytime I hit reply. Had to use the VB editor in Outlook to fix it

Maybe a fresh install would not have created some of these problems. But I will NOT push it to clients until SP1 is released. Let someone else deal with headaches other than me.

I read the fancy clock thing (gadget?) is what's eating CPU on a lot of systems.


BTW, I've been using and implementing SAV Corp. for customers since version 7 until I got fed up with it. I'm using AVG Network Ed. now and haven't looked back. 2 year license is same as 1 year of SAV. Remote Install/Managemt? Yes! I've done about 5 sites now, one of which is about 50 workstations with heavy group policy management and all is well. The most time comsuming part is uninstalling the Symantec product first.


I think I'm going to wait a while on Vista. I'd just like to have some exposure to it because I know I'll have cutomers that'll have it.
 

Tail_Gunner

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For now the cost of the product far excells the value to me, way to many bug's and driver conflict's, there are huge privacy issue's to be worked out, as of now it still cannot implement dual proc's correctly. In perhpap's a year or so maybe now not even.
 

seven up

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Won't be trying it anytime soon. The latest bug that I've heard is with the voice recognition program. Surely the fixes are "in the works".



Enjoy
 

rwise

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Well I wont be useing it at all, (well maybe enuf to learn it on some body elses box) I went Linux! Good by Microshaft bugs!
 

j442w30

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Its a system hog, its expensive and a hassle to install. XP works fine for me.
 

Coors

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had 2000pro; new install of xp pro on one computer(5 on a lan)- destroyed lan, no run-arounds; re-installed 2000, all cool now. I will be a hold out on vista. Why replace something that works flawlessly?
 

Tail_Gunner

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8) okk here's my first post on Vista, yep the forum is still a bit slow, window's open's up pretty fancy, graphic's are a bit better,and it's all on my son's comp.

:devil: He's a ardent gamer, so far i havnt heard any shrill screams of frustration, that's good, hmmmm look's like it's all eye candy so far...............:devil: Later on he will try to game then the war begin's if it's not perfect....
s
 

LadyFish

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Started using it yesterday on a new laptop, so far so good. Lots of little gadgets for the desktop and Windows Mail replaces Outlook Express.

The only real significant change that had to be made is to have the tech guy change the settings on the DSL router due to the amount of security in the new Vista.
 

KaGee

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LadyFish said:
Started using it yesterday on a new laptop, so far so good. Lots of little gadgets for the desktop and Windows Mail replaces Outlook Express.

The only real significant change that had to be made is to have the tech guy change the settings on the DSL router due to the amount of security in the new Vista.
Those dang pop-ups are a PITA!

Since I'm on a router, I disabled most of the security crap. I read where most of it is window dressing and does not do a whole lot anyway.
 

LadyFish

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I had a system failure yesterday, Explorer failed to be exact, and I had to do a recovery. It acted fine until the puter tech made some adjustments to it in order to accept the current DSL router. :/
 
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