Windshield replacement cheap.

Mark42

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I know that many owners of older boats with Taylor Made plexiglass windshields have a need for a new windshield due to aging, yellowing, and stress cracking. Most of the windshields are available from Taylor Made, but there is an eight week lead time and about $300 plus shipping.<br /><br />I decided to take a chance and replace the aging plexiglass with Lexan because it is rather cheap. I bought a 30" x 96" x 1/8" piece of Lexan from the local supplier of plastics (look in the yellowpages under 'plastics suppliers'). It was $77.00 for that piece. It was actually much larger than I needed.<br /><br />I removed the heavy aluminum frame from the plexiglass by driving it off with a block of wood and a hammer, working from the backside of the windshield while my wife held it from moving around on the workbench. The plexi was held in by some C clips that gripped holes drilled in the plexi. It took some work, but it came off without breaking the plexi. I broke it in two when trying to press the lexan into it from the back side. I used packing tape to tape the two halves back together so the template could be made.<br /><br />Then I used heavy posterboard and made a template of the plexi from the inside, being careful to NOT allow the posterboard to sag into the top to bottom curve of the windshield. (Only let the posterboard touch the perimiter of the plexi). I traced the posterboard and then cut out the template, transferred it to the flat lexan, and then cut it out using a saber saw on low speed with a wood scrolling blade. It cut easy, no chips and no cracks. support the lexan well so it does not vibrate or chatter while being cut.<br /><br />The new lexan windshield is then fit into the old frame. It needs to be forced into the curve, but it does go in and fits well. Now the lexan is thin and very flexable, so after setting the windshield on the boat, the leading edge of the front side will have to be pressed down to the deck to secure with nuts/bolts to the origonal fasteners. I am even able to re-use the origonal rubber seal because it is not cracked. <br /><br />I am not done yet, but I plan to fill in around the windshield where it meets the aluminum frame with a silicone adheasive to help hold it in place and make a nice clean seal.<br /><br />Even though the plexi windshield was curved in two dimensions, I cut the lexan out of flat stock and it still fit nice. Be sure to make the template as accuratly as possable.<br /><br />Will post some pics when its complete.<br /><br />A side note about Lexan: The supplier told me it can be "cold bent". I tried this with a scrap. Put it in my vice and bent it over at 90* angle. Surprise! It did not break, or turn white on the bend. I made a nice sharp bend that was clear! But the supplier told me it has a memory, and a 90* bend results in a 45* angle. To get a 90* angle, it needs to be bent past 90*.<br /><br />Mark.<br /><br />PS total time invested so far is less than 2 hrs.
 

spacemanpete

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Re: Windshield replacement cheap.

Mark, I'm glad you had a good experience with your windshield; I tried using Lucite (acrylic) --even heat forming -- and still had a hell of a time. I wish, even with the added expense, I had used Lexan. Much more durable. Actually, another reason was that I needed a 10 ft piece, and Lexan was hard to get a hold of in that size. Anyway, nice work!
 

imported_miked

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Great info Mark. I noticed that you used 1/8" lexan. Was the original windshield 1/8"? I need to make a new windshield for my 1963 Sea King. The original windshield (what's left of it!) is 1/4". I wonder if quarter inch lexan would bend as easily? Or is 1/8" thick enough? (My windshield is +/- 70"x15")
 

Mark42

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Spacemanpete,<br /><br />The plastics suppliers may have pieces over 8ft, if not, try calling the plastics extruders. <br /><br />Mike d, <br /><br />The original windshield was 1/4" plexi. The 1/4" Lexan is getting too thick to bend by hand. I played around with the various thicknesses in the Home Depot and Lowes bending them as tightly as I could before deciding on 1/8". Turns out being thinner than the original makes it easier to insert into the framd, and when it is tilted, it binds in place. <br /><br />Once mounted, it is firm, but will give easily under pressure. Plenty strong for what it is being used for.<br /><br />Some more pics: http://www.mfgboats.com/messageboard/showmessage.asp?messageID=2147
 

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Only trouble with Lexan is it's rather soft and scratches easily, be VERY careful cleaning it. There is a scratch resistant version available, but the name of it escapes me for the moment, it's a bit more expensive (of course!) but worth it if you have to use polycarbonate (Lexan is just a brand name).<br />One tip with Lexan, don't put stickers on it and be careful if you use adhesives of any kind. Some adhesives cause a phenomenon called plasticizer migration, they leach the plasicizer out of the plastic making it brittle, which is why they tell you not to use stickers on polycarbonate motorcycle crash helmets.<br />There's an excellent article on the Glen-L website by a guy who made his own wraparound screen using Lexan and aluminium extrusions for the frame.
 

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Petrolhead,<br /><br />Thanks for the tips. But I must disagree with your comment about it being easily scratched because I have used Lexan brand polycarbonate for side windows on a '40 Ford hot rod I built. The windows rolled up and down between rubber seals where all the dust and dirt settled and those windows never scratched. I cleaned them with regular Windex brand cleaner over and over with no problems. <br /><br />If I have any scratching issues with this windshield, I will be sure to post it.<br /><br />Mark.
 

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Mark, maybe the one you had WAS the scratch resistant version? We have display cases made from Lexan and they scratch very easily if we use the normal stuff, Mrs Mop who cleans the cases normally doesn't appreciate how easily they scratch and cleans them like they were glass, and after a few weeks we found we were getting complaints about scratched cases. <br />We switched to the scratch resistant and get far fewer problems now, of course the customer has to pay more which they hate!
 

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Hey Petrolhead,<br /><br />You are right. This stuff does scratch easy. I finished the windshield today, and discovered a few scratches from where it layed on the workbench.<br /><br />I guess the stuff I had before was a scratch resistant version. I am annoyed that the supplier did not tell me about that option. They new what I was using it for. I would have paid more for the scratch resistant plastic.<br /><br />Is there a product that will help remove minor scratches or add a protective coating? Can this stuff be waxed? <br /><br />Will play around with some of the leftover pieces and see what I can come up with.<br /><br />Mark.
 

petrolhead

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You could try buffing out the scratches, use a compound designed for acrylics, you may be lucky. Trouble is because it's soft plastic cutting compounds don't work very well.
 

kd6nem

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If the scratches are fairly minor Meguiar's Mirror Glaze will hide them pretty well. Use it on my boat and used it a lot when I worked at an airport. Can be diluted in half if you like. Just make sure windshield is clean before applying.<br /><br />Windex may be OK on polycarbonate, (I'm not 100% certain, myself), but is positively and certainly a BAD idea on any sort of acrylic. The damage will not show right away, but it WILL show! I suspect anything having any compound containing ammonia will likewise cause it to craze, get brittle, and start to crack.
 

Mark42

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Update on scratches: I used a little polishing (not rubbing) compound followed by a really fine liquid buffing product called Liquid Ebony. Did it by hand, no power tools and it came out nice. I think I will try using the power buffer on a piece of scrap and see how that works when I have spare time....maybe when the kids grow up and go to college..... <br /><br />I also found out that the 8" "Roll" paper towels that I have been using are too rough for the plastic, and I switched to a soft cotton cloth. I don't get any more of those micro wipe mark scratches from the cotton cloth. <br /><br />Also, I used Turtle Wax brand liquid wax on the windshield and it looks nice.<br /><br />Mark.
 

petrolhead

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Something I learned years ago, and I tell all my clients who have acrylic display cases from me, never polish them with paper towels!<br />If the towel is soft enough not to scratch it'll probably shed fibres all over the place anyway, the polishing cloths that car respray guys use are about the best thing.
 

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Hi Mike,<br />I used 1/4" Lexan on my curved windshield. I had to heat it to get the curve I needed, and that wouldn't spring back. I tried, a hairdryer, NG. I tried an iron, NG. Finally, I did what the supplier told me I couldn't do. I heated it with a propane torch. It gets hot fast and you can bend it but you have to be careful! The torch can burn the lexan quickly and form small bubbles on the surface and turn it white. Do a test piece first.<br />I never did a test piece and at each bend, at the dges, I have the small bubbles and "whiteness". I figured it could be polished out with a compound and a buffing wheel, and I was right. It's not perfect but it was a lot cheaper than paying $400. I was even able to make it 1" taller that what was there.<br />I just got some new polishing compound made for plastic from a jewelry supply house (FindingKing.com) That I am going to try now, Basically, you are reheating the lexan with the buffing wheel as you polish it. Good Luck
 
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