Wire Tapping Is Deeper & Dirtier

[18rabbit]

I’m not even going to comment on this, just read it:<br /><br />San Francisco – The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) on Wednesday filed the legal briefs and evidence supporting its motion for a preliminary injunction in its class-action lawsuit against AT&T. After asking EFF to hold back the documents so that it could review them, the Department of Justice consented to EFF's filing them under seal — a well-established procedure that prohibits public access and permits only the judge and the litigants to see the evidence. While not a party to the case, the government was concerned that even this procedure would not provide sufficient security and has represented to the Court that it is "presently considering whether and, if so, how it will participate in this case."<br />.<br />.<br />.<br />The NSA program came to light in December, when the New York Times reported that the President had authorized the agency to intercept telephone and Internet communications inside the United States without the authorization of any court. Over the ensuing weeks, it became clear that the NSA program has been intercepting and analyzing millions of Americans' communications, with the help of the country's largest phone and Internet companies, including AT&T.<br />.<br />.<br />.<br /><br />You can read the whole story on LinuxElectrons.com

 

[WillyBWright]

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Many of our phone calls are monitored and ALL of our e-mails are monitored by computers. Everything Internet goes thru Washington computers. They have software that looks for keywords such as president, bomb, assasination, etc. The fact that I just typed those words flagged this conversation and it may be given closer scrutiny. It's called Data Mining and that's what the FBI has been complaining about. They say they don't have anywhere near enough manpower to follow-up on this information, and most certainly any valuable intelligence that may be gleaned from this domestic espionage is lost to the vastness of it plus the fact that 99.999% of those leads turn out to be completely harmless. What's worse is that the time spent on the BS leads takes away from REAL law enforcement.<br /><br />My daughter's boyfriend is a super computer geek and would be proud I said that. He has a program that shows where internet communications are routed from one end of the link to the other. It shows lines going from the home computer to the local and regional servers and very much resembles a commercial airline route map. There is always one place in common. EVERYTHING goes thru Washington.<br /><br />You may also be interested to know that there are no legal hurdles to anyone listening in on your cell phone calls, and anybody with a scanner can listen in to your phone conversations if you have a cordless phone (even if that's not the phone you're using at the time). E-mails have absolutely no privacy guarantees whatsoever. We Have No Right To Privacy Anymore! In more cases than most people know, we never have. Doesn't it make you proud to be American?

 

[Link]

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WBW<br />Yes I am proud to be an American. And I consider myself VERY lucky and thankfull to have been born here. Ive been to several 3rd world countries.<br />I thank my ancestor for making that decision for me.<br />Now that I have that off my chest! <br /><br />I agree with your entire post except I would change your first sentence.<br />

Many of our phone calls are monitored and ALL of our e-mails are monitored by computers.

I would change MANY to MOST and almost ALL now!<br /><br />I'm always surprized even in 2006 that people don't know when they pick up a phone that their conversation can and will be heard by others! DOH!<br /><br />Back in 1962 as a pre-teen I was into SWLing and listening to so called private conversations.<br /><br />Later got into Amatuer Radio, and then spent 25 years in communications. DOH again over and over!<br /><br />NASA has been doing this for decades!<br /><br />Main stream press is just trying to dupe everyone as always. "This is new" LOL<br /><br />Good post WBW<br />Spot on!

 

[KaGee]

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There are no "scanners" sold to the public that can receive digital cell phones or digital cordless. The old analog cordless, on certain frequencies. Analog cellular... maybe, if modified.<br /><br />Anyone who thinks their internet is secure is terribly naive.<br /><br />But I have a Question??? How many people would it take to monitor the phone calls of every American? I'm talking land lines and cell. Just think about. 24/7/365... how many people would it take to monitor all of our phone calls? And where do these folks all work out of?

 

[rolmops]

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The best way to render this invasion of privacy impotent is for all of us to create a signature or letter head with a lot of "trigger words".<br />It will effectively render the system useless.<br />Kagee,you just pinpointed a very basic problem in American reaction to security situations.For a long time potential dangers are ignored because of bureaucracy and politics and when something goes wrong there is a severe bureaucratic and political overreaction that makes the security situation just as impossible to handle as before when nothing was done.

 

[rodbolt]

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KaGee<br /> think again.<br /> the equipment for scanning,listening is easily obtainable.<br /> quite a bit can be made from off the shelf parts at radio shack.<br /> certain encrypting/deencryption devices are a bt tougher to make but with an associates degree in electronics and a bit of googling its not difficult at all and if you purchase some of the equipment from a third party its really not expensive.<br /> once it on the airwaves its fair game.

 

[gafteci]

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what I dont get about all this wire tapping is why are you all so nervous about it. Its like employees being afraid that their employer is reading every email they write.<br /><br />Think about it, are you that important that someone would want to read your emal or tap your phone?<br /><br />We have to use the tools at our disposal why would you think otherwise? Unless you are a victim, conspiracy theorist liberal who doesnt trust anyone.

 

[rodbolt]

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I for one look fwd to the return to the Hoover era of investigations. will be just like east germany and we all know how great that was.<br />just think how much easier it will be when we go back to the McCarthy era and all you need is innuendo and you can ruin anyone for life pre-emptivly.

 

[caryn]

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Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> I for one look fwd to the return to the Hoover era of investigations. will be just like east germany and we all know how great that was.<br />just think how much easier it will be when we go back to the McCarthy era and all you need is innuendo and you can ruin anyone for life pre-emptivly.

 

[caryn]

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yep, just like techi said...victim, conspiracy theorist. And I'd like to add, no common sense.

 

[caryn]

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are you still denying that there were communists (alger hiss) in the white house during McCarthy's era.

 

[tommays]

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there looking at everything <br /><br />i MANAGE a trust for my two handicaped brothers you should see all the PATRIOT ACT BS on all the forms it's not like the IRS did no have compleat access to the INFO already <br /><br /><br />tommays

 

[gafteci]

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Originally posted by gafteci:<br /> what I dont get about all this wire tapping is why are you all so nervous about it. Its like employees being afraid that their employer is reading every email they write.<br /><br />Think about it, are you that important that someone would want to read your emal or tap your phone?<br /><br />We have to use the tools at our disposal why would you think otherwise? Unless you are a victim, conspiracy theorist liberal who doesnt trust anyone.

The above was written by my conservative wife. I think she just wants to get spanked again!

 

[bootle]

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Yea you go and spank that monkey bad boy

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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They are doing it and will keep on doing it.<br />Just get use to it.<br />I don't have anything to hide anyway, well maybe my little buddies, but hey, they know about them already anyway.

 

[rodbolt]

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yep I have no idea why eveyone is hollern.<br /> we all know the gubbermint knows best and can be trusted absolutly to act right with no oversight, what with all the examples of the way our gubbermint runs its no wonder we dont just double the salary caps.<br /> its hard to believe all the terrorist loving commie huggers that would dare espouse the idea that anyone in the administration or law enforcement in general would ever be crooked,unethical or plain dishonest. thats why its such a waste of money to have courts and such. they need no oversight as the govt/law enforcement will only protect and never ever harm.<br /> my vote is do away with courts and other oversight buerocracies and spend the money on pictures of king George or something.<br /> king Geo,curious Geo, its all the same.

 

[KRS]

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My only comment is... so?<br /><br />Collection of information has always been a top priority for government throughout the ages, not just "Boom!" last year.

 

[KaGee]

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Originally posted by rodbolt:<br /> KaGee<br /> think again.<br /> the equipment for scanning,listening is easily obtainable.<br /> quite a bit can be made from off the shelf parts at radio shack.<br /> certain encrypting/deencryption devices are a bt tougher to make but with an associates degree in electronics and a bit of googling its not difficult at all and if you purchase some of the equipment from a third party its really not expensive.<br /> once it on the airwaves its fair game.

Urban legend. Fifteen years ago, but not today. <br />Been to Radio Shack lately??

 

[SS MAYFLOAT]

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I aint got nutin to hide, but I feel more threatened by the spyware that gets attached to my computer. The spying the government does is to protect my freedom. The spying that is done by spyware compaines can ruin my identity and cause unwanted spent hours removing it.<br /><br />Unless you are doing illegal activities, why should anyone be concerned about the tapping?

 

[rodbolt]

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KaGee<br /> with a spectrum anyalyzer if its radiated as a EMF propagation wave I can pick it up. radio shack will order me one, they are a tad pricey but cheaper things are avalible.<br /> the de encyption is a bit more difficult but if you know the frequency range the reciever is very easy to make. actually its a lot easier now to build the equipment than it was 15 years ago due to the advances in digital filters and smaller power requirments.<br /> that coupled with a transmitter is rather limited in the frequency range,even if ya change the cystals. once I know the approximate freq range no amount of xstal changing will protect you fromme recieving the transmission as without redesigning the physical properties of the transmitter your limited to a frequency or inverse freq range.<br /> say I pick up a high power UHF or microwave transmission, only so many ways to transmit with any power and the transmitting amps are in 1 of a few catagories.<br /> all can only handle a narrow range of frequencies before they cannot amplify without changing the physical properties of the amp. klystrons,magnatrons,TWT's and a few other devices all work on similar principles and face the same limitations on frequency ranges.<br /> thats me<br /> if your doing nothing illegal why have a court system or any oversight system. we can all just trust the govt and all will be good.<br />how much money can we save if we all just do away with courts and internal affairs and such bakdrafts on our society?<br />we wont need lawyers or judges or anything as the govt knows better than anything else.<br /> man at the money we could save.