wiring gauge question not really boat related

yonu

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this may sound very stupid but I need some input on this I am running some low voltage wiring through the house for the new 12v solar lighting and I am trying to decide on the wire gauge size for the 15ft for the firs panel the feed s looking at 25amps so I know if it is open air cooled it is within 12ga wire however what is truly considered open air for wire runs it is something I have never gave a thought to before.

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Re: wiring gauge question not really boat related

Not exactly the question that you asked but wire gauge has no relation to voltage therefore I would use the same gauge wire as is used for normal house wiring. The temperature rating of the insulation and the voltage drop of the circuit affect the current (Ampere) rating of the wire. The voltage rating of the wire is insulation rating dependant. I hope that this answers your question.
 

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Re: wiring gauge question not really boat related

Are you talking about the 110 run to the transformer, or the 12V run to the first light?
25 amps seems like a lot for the 110 draw....
 

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Re: wiring gauge question not really boat related

thanks lev that actually makes sense just wanted a seconbd head to look at what I was thinking
mark no I am taking the 12v part as the lighting IO am installing is 12v and no not to the first light but the total run
 

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Re: wiring gauge question not really boat related

12ga is rated at 20 amps, for 30 amps need 10 ga
 

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Re: wiring gauge question not really boat related

Depends on how much voltage drop you can tolerate for the length of wire you are running. As far as a safety issue, you can actually use a pretty low gauge. Lots of charts where you can calculate voltage drop. Keep in mind you have to multiply by 2 for the return run.
 

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Re: wiring gauge question not really boat related

Picking wire size is based on 2 factors: how much current can the wire carry without overheating (safety) and how much voltage drop can you accept. You need to consider both.
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For safety you have minimum wire sizes based only on the current. As Fishing Dude too said for 25 amps you need 10ga. (rated for 30 amps)

For voltage drop you need to consider both the current and the voltage. You want to measure the voltage drop as a percentage of the voltage. For 120v systems voltage drop is typically kept under 2%. For 12 volt systems up to 10%.

The simplest way to find out what the voltage drop would be is to use one of the many calculators you can find on the web. Just google voltage drop calculator. Here is one http://www.supercircuits.com/resources/tools/voltageDrop you can try.

For a 12v system carrying 25A on 10ga. wire for 15 ft. it comes to a voltage drop of .83v, or about 7%. This is below the industry standard of 10% so you are OK.

Note: voltage drop means power lost. You are running 12v lights and only providing 11.17v to the bulbs. Not much dimmer, and probably helps the life of the bulbs a little bit. Not a big deal here.
 

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Re: wiring gauge question not really boat related

thanks and the main reason I was asking was the chart I was using that came with the solar panels listed 12ga but said open air cooling and I had never heard that referenced other than on high voltage lines kind of threw me off. I ended up running 8ga for good measure at lease I am covered if I decide to add more wires.

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Re: wiring gauge question not really boat related

For a 12v system carrying 25A on 10ga. wire for 15 ft. it comes to a voltage drop of .83v, or about 7%. This is below the industry standard of 10% so you are OK.
You actually have double that voltage drop since you have the return of 15 feet as well.
 

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Re: wiring gauge question not really boat related

You actually have double that voltage drop since you have the return of 15 feet as well.

Good catch. I had just done a quick look for a calculator and goofed. Some will ask for the run and consider both wires, some will not. My error.

Interesting that he said the instructions said to use 12ga. That would be 20% of the power being generated being wasted in the wires, or about 60w of the total of 300w being generated.

When you consider the cost of 300w of solar panels I would suspect the cost of better wire is pretty cheap.

8ga give a drop of .93v.
 

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Re: wiring gauge question not really boat related

Or maybe it doesn't matter much since many solar panels output much higher than 12V anyway and most are set up to charge a 12V battery so a small voltage drop in the wire means the voltage regulator in the solar panel controller is not regulating down such a high voltage.

Si, kinda depends on what the solar panel is being hooked up to.
 
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