"Would a Bush Bailout save the GOP?"

[OldMercsRule]

OH BOY! This is gonna torque some, if not ALL Cornservatives, n' some thoughtfull Dems n' Libs too.

Lets hope President Bush ignores: Bill Gross.

I had no idea Mr. Gross was such a SELFISH Socialist. He is one of the best bond fund managers on this planet, n' his words routinely move markets, (n' have fer years BTW).

Ol' Murky has talked about "investment philosophies" from time to time.

Ol' Murky rarely IF EVER recommened any investor have any open ended "bond funds" in their portfolios fer a number of reasons.

Now their is another BIG REASON. WHAT A CREEP BILL GROSS IS!!! If ya wanna REAL big problem do what Mr Gross recomends. Sheeesh. JR

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2007/8/24/would-a-bush-bailout-save-the-gop.html

 

[rolmops]

Re: "Would a Bush Bailout save the GOP?"

Murky I have no idea what this has to do with socialism. In fact it is capitalism at work.
We have long known that votes are a commodity that can be bought and sold.
Votes are in high demand next year and this bailout thing is just another bid for those votes.
C'mon now Murky,it is free enterprise...

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: "Would a Bush Bailout save the GOP?"

Murky I have no idea what this has to do with socialism. In fact it is capitalism at work.
We have long known that votes are a commodity that can be bought and sold.
Votes are in high demand next year and this bailout thing is just another bid for those votes.
C'mon now Murky,it is free enterprise...

Here is the "Socialism" part, (that I suspect ya know already ya jus' wanna pull Murky's chain). Bill Good is one of the best there has ever been, (prolly THE BEST: PERIOD) at runnin' large piles of bond money fer PIMCO. That is not easy, n' that is why soooooooo many people pay attention to him. A huge open ended (KEYWORD HERE FOLKS), bond fund is a real unwieldly piece o' junk. NEVER liked 'em, n' once ol' Murky figured out the REAL BIG weaknesses I never recomended them to me clients or bought 'em meself. Cost me lots of commision $ to stick to me guns 'cause uninformed people buy that JUNK ALL THE TIME.

Therein lies the rub fer me. Ol' Bill Gross knows far more then lil' ol' p*ss ant Murky does, but he would not argue with me that he is frightened about a RUN ON OPEN ENDED BOND FUNDS. Once (n' if; ONE OF THOSE REAL BIG IFS: Rolmops), Joe Six pack gets spooked about "where's Waldo" Mr. Six pack may take his money out n' stick it in a t-bill or some such. That will truely be a BIG PROBLEM: Rolmops.

If our wonderfull President: George W. Bush, naps n' thinks he should bail out the speculators n' lenders as Bill Gross SELFISHLY wants, (the Socialist angle here), we are all in a world of hurt. Fortunately fer all of us President Bush has an MBA, (the first Pres to ever have one), so I think we are safe, from Mr. Bush acting on Bill Gross' foolish recomendation!!!

Moral of the story: let the chips fall where they fall. It maybe REAL painfull and maybe it won't. The pain will assure it does not happen in a much MUCH bigger way in the future. When New Orleans is rebuilt it will cost lots more to rebuild it when it gets wiped out the next time, (unless ya really think we can stop hurricanes: Rolmops). Thanks fer the reply, (read Mr. Gross' letter fer further clarification of me reply if ya have not already) Respectfully, JR

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: "Would a Bush Bailout save the GOP?"

Murky I have no idea what this has to do with socialism. In fact it is capitalism at work.

NOPE, upside down here as usual, (see below).

We have long known that votes are a commodity that can be bought and sold.

Yes it is known as grow Nanny Gubmint Socialism: my friend!

Votes are in high demand next year and this bailout thing is just another bid for those votes.
C'mon now Murky,it is free enterprise...

Now that ya put a quarter in ol' Murky let's chat about yer "Capitalism" at werk theory. Kinda cute n' awfull tricky there: Rolmops, (yer startin' ta remind ol' Murky about how me Bro Haut plays me if I don't very carefully ponder his exact words).

Hopefully Mr. Bush n' all other thoughtfull Cornservatives learned the REAL perils of attemptin' ta buy CORNSERVATIVE voters with their own tax dollars: IT NEVER WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cornservatives generally don't like schemes ta grow Nanny Gubmint. N' Cornservatives also know, (or surely should know), that the MSM is very Liberal n' will give credit to dim wit Liberal Dems fer all the Gubmint hand outs regardless of where they actually come from. N' punnish the Mean spirited Republicans for all things bad that happen regardless of what really happened.

New Orleans is a classic and very similar example. It would have been MUCH better, n' much cheaper to actually cut $100,000 per person checks with no strings to every New Orleans resident then the far greater spending that was and still is being done there. I n' Cornservatives would not have liked that either but it would have been Much cheaper, with much better n' faster results.

People are much smarter with their own money then Nanny Gubmint ever is. That money would have fanned out into the economy n' had a far greater and more positive effect then the much larger sums we have spent n' will corntinue to spend.

Buyin' votes may keep the worst DEMS n' REPUBS in office 'till they get caught with some money in the ol' freezer, then only the dim wit Dems can survive that lil' problem. But it will assure a loss to the Republicans next election. Shockin' they lost in 2006 after all that spendin' eh Rolmops???? NOT!!!!

Buyin' votes IS SOCIALISM not Capitailism, (unless yer tryin' ta pull the wool over ol' Murky's single brain cell). Now if ya got some of that smoke, that may actually werk: Rolmops!!!!

Respectfully, (even more now that ya tricked me fer a few hours) JR

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: "Would a Bush Bailout save the GOP?"

Leave it to an ultra-socialist to explain why the government stepping in to relieve people of the risk they voluntarily took is ANYTHING but socialism. This is the part where they explain how everyone is a victim of "predatory" lenders. As if everyone is too stupid(!) to read the loan agreement and ponder the cornsequences.

Attention communists: please take more than high school economics before you offer your input on economic policy. Better yet, move to russia.

 

[rolmops]

Re: "Would a Bush Bailout save the GOP?"

Leave it to an ultra-socialist to explain why the government stepping in to relieve people of the risk they voluntarily took is ANYTHING but socialism. This is the part where they explain how everyone is a victim of "predatory" lenders. As if everyone is too stupid(!) to read the loan agreement and ponder the cornsequences.

Attention communists: please take more than high school economics before you offer your input on economic policy. Better yet, move to russia.

Wow,wow,wow.
Your posts are like the howling of coyotes on the ridges where they illegally brew the stuff that destroys the brain cells and causes people to be needlessly aggressive.

If you have a real good look at the effort to control the damage done because of sub prime lending,you will see that the feds are making an effort to save the lending institutions who are depressing Wall Street.AKA the big guys.In fact ,so far more than a few billion dollars have been infused into Wall street by the feds.
No real efforts are made to save the admittedly stupid or naive people who signed these loans, although there is talk about it
Since you do not seem to agree with the majority of the population in this country and call them communists and traitors you should not be amazed if the majority in this democracy would tend to think of you as someone who has discarded the democratic principals that this country was build on.
You might even be suspected of having sympathy for fascist and autocratic ideas and disregard for the very values,you so loudly claim to represent.
Just a hint.If you call anyone who thinks differently from you a traitor,you should read some books by Mussolini. There is a lot in there that you might agree with,although I sincerely hope that you will get disgusted while reading it.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: "Would a Bush Bailout save the GOP?"

...should not be amazed if the majority in this democracy would tend to think of you as someone who has discarded the democratic principals that this country was build on.

Please show me these democratic ideals that pay for houses? Explain to me why MY money should go to pay for someone elses house? Maybe I should move into a 2 million dollar house and then ask for help with the payment?

You might even be suspected of having sympathy for fascist and autocratic ideas ...read some books by Mussolini.

For someone who does a lot of boohooing about stuffed fish, you sure throw it out there.

 

[rolmops]

Re: "Would a Bush Bailout save the GOP?"

Now that ya put a quarter in ol' Murky let's chat about yer "Capitalism" at werk theory. Kinda cute n' awfull tricky there: Rolmops, (yer startin' ta remind ol' Murky about how me Bro Haut plays me if I don't very carefully ponder his exact words).

Hopefully Mr. Bush n' all other thoughtfull Cornservatives learned the REAL perils of attemptin' ta buy CORNSERVATIVE voters with their own tax dollars: IT NEVER WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cornservatives generally don't like schemes ta grow Nanny Gubmint. N' Cornservatives also know, (or surely should know), that the MSM is very Liberal n' will give credit to dim wit Liberal Dems fer all the Gubmint hand outs regardless of where they actually come from. N' punnish the Mean spirited Republicans for all things bad that happen regardless of what really happened.

New Orleans is a classic and very similar example. It would have been MUCH better, n' much cheaper to actually cut $100,000 per person checks with no strings to every New Orleans resident then the far greater spending that was and still is being done there. I n' Cornservatives would not have liked that either but it would have been Much cheaper, with much better n' faster results.

People are much smarter with their own money then Nanny Gubmint ever is. That money would have fanned out into the economy n' had a far greater and more positive effect then the much larger sums we have spent n' will corntinue to spend.

Buyin' votes may keep the worst DEMS n' REPUBS in office 'till they get caught with some money in the ol' freezer, then only the dim wit Dems can survive that lil' problem. But it will assure a loss to the Republicans next election. Shockin' they lost in 2006 after all that spendin' eh Rolmops???? NOT!!!!

Buyin' votes IS SOCIALISM not Capitailism, (unless yer tryin' ta pull the wool over ol' Murky's single brain cell). Now if ya got some of that smoke, that may actually werk: Rolmops!!!!

Respectfully, (even more now that ya tricked me fer a few hours) JR

OK Murky,it took you a while before you put your own spin on my satirical little comment.
Now just to set things straight.
The feds have infused billions into the banking world in the past few days to save the sorry behinds of these big sub prime lender banks.This was done to stabilize Wall Street.Not exactly a socialist move as far as I am concerned.
Buying votes does not have any ideology behind it be it socialist,conservative ,capitalist or if you like communist.
The only principal behind it is pure greed for power,which seems to be part and parcel of almost any politician's character.
As for president Bush trying to buy conservative votes.No reason for him to do that.They will vote republican anyway.It may buy him some votes that could tip the balance in some hotly contested states, but again these would not be conservative.
One last comment.Government under Bush is a lot larger than it was under Clinton.It could be that another Clinton might try to shrink it back down again to resemble the way it was under her husband.
Would that mean that conservatives would consider voting for another Clinton?

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: "Would a Bush Bailout save the GOP?"

OK Murky,it took you a while before you put your own spin on my satirical little comment.

Yes: you spanked me.

Now just to set things straight.
The feds have infused billions into the banking world in the past few days to save the sorry behinds of these big sub prime lender banks.This was done to stabilize Wall Street.Not exactly a socialist move as far as I am concerned.

Totally agree here it was liquidity infused that must be repaid, to save us from the immeadiate systemic risk that was obviously a BIG problem for the whole world, massive French n' German Banks to be specific.

Buying votes does not have any ideology behind it be it socialist,conservative ,capitalist or if you like communist.

No, the proposal by Bill Gross, is clearly Socialist. It takes tax dollars from RubberFrog n' the rest of us to bail out speculators. VERY CLEAR.

The only principal behind it is pure greed for power,which seems to be part and parcel of almost any politician's character.

Agree, but it never works very well NATIONALY with Cornservatives, n' you know it, (mind read here).

As for president Bush trying to buy conservative votes.No reason for him to do that.They will vote republican anyway.

They may not vote Rolmops, and I know you know that too, (yer forcin' me to read yer mind). That is how Libs n' Dems will try ta win in 2008, it werked in 2006.

It may buy him some votes that could tip the balance in some hotly contested states, but again these would not be conservative.

True, and they would not be anywhere near enough to offset the Cornservative no shows.

One last comment.Government under Bush is a lot larger than it was under Clinton.

Gee, I wonder why? 9/11, a dot bomb recession, hurricane Vanden Heuvel.

It could be that another Clinton might try to shrink it back down again to resemble the way it was under her husband.

Tulips could be growin' on Mars too. Ya think the Gubmint would shrink if we nationalized Health Care, n' maybe small domestic oil? Come on.

Would that mean that conservatives would consider voting for another Clinton?

Only if Ron Paul won the Republican nod. There is a band in Boise called: "FAT CHANCE", n' they have a hit single: "NO F**KIN' WAY" Thanks fer the spankin' I'll try to be more carefull in the future! JR