Would you buy an uncovered nineteen?

EverySecond

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Hi everyone -- new member here. I'm looking at purchasing my first power boat and I just cannot buy a modern cookie-cutter vessel. I'd love to get a Nineteen, but just had one bought before I could get to it. I found another one (1975) that has been used every year (so it is a running boat) but has been stored outside and uncovered in the Michigan winter. The owner states he has done that since he's owned it (3years), as it sits alongside his house with the drain plug pulled and the motor drained. That is the extent of winterization, which I find troublesome. Would you buy a boat that has been kept like this? It is cheap, but I'm wondering what kind of trouble I can expect. I've done a lot of fiberglass work in my day, but I don't really want to get into transom repairs. What do you think the odds are that this boat is worth it?
 
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Re: Would you buy an uncovered nineteen?

Ummmm,,,,1975???????? So, what would do if it was a 1975 car? Chances are, the chances are, that it is a 40 year old boat with many problems unless it was stored inside in a climate controlled warehouse and never used.
 

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You'd have to get in there and do some poking around for rotten wood. But to get accurate results you'll have to wait till it thaws out.
Also don't by a boat without a water test, and run it on the water long enough to find out if it's going to overheat. You'd have to wait till it thaws for that too.:D


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I found another one (1975) that has been used every year (so it is a running boat)
that seems like a good start
but has been stored outside and uncovered in the Michigan winter.
that don't seem like such a good idea. seems like that's really wear out the carpet and upholstery. depending on the color, the upholstery and carpet may be available from AristoCraft. they're still in biz down in alpharatta ga. go to their website for contact info. fwiw. my nineteen is lime green from the factory. neither my carpet or upholstery is available.
it sits alongside his house with the drain plug pulled
that's good, exactly where mine sits. however i have a cover on mine so no snow intrusion. depending on how deep the snow got and weather or not the water was draining or not. i hear freeze, thaw cycles ain't to good on boats + when the water refreezes, i wonder if it'd plug the drain plug hole with ice till it gets pretty warm.
and the motor drained
that's all i do to mine too. drain the manifold and block. as long as they're drained it should be ok.
That is the extent of winterization, which I find troublesome.
agreed. i got a three page list of what i do to mine at winterization. lots of grease points to hit, gear lub to drain, engine old to replace, wheel brgs to be packed, etc. when i bought mine, i looked it over bow to stern. including the bottom.
but I don't really want to get into transom repairs.
while i've not replaced mine, i think i see the wood that it has and it's only where the drive attachs to the boat. i don't think it's a full wood transom. more glass that wood. w/o going to look, i'd think that the boss where my drive mates to is maybe 1.5' X 1.5'.
good thing is, a nineteen is mostly a glass boat. no wood stringers or deck. only wood i'm aware of in this boat is the transom, seats, and a piece of wood glassed to the bottom of the hull liner where the ft. engine mounts bolt into. they are filled with full foam though. i've heard of this getting saturated due to leaking between the hull and the hull liner. good thing (if there is a good thing) about only foam is that if it is saturated the repair is cut two access ports under the carpet in the back and dig all the old foam out and replace. while i've never rebuilt a boat, the repair sounds far easier than replacing stringers and decks and transoms.
What do you think the odds are that this boat is worth it?
don't know. get some pics of it maybe, or if it's close go look at it.
the one i ended up with i talked with the previous owner to the point where the only option was to either go look at it or give up the idea. my problem was the boat was 550 miles away. in my case it worked out and po described his boat about like it was.

agreed on the sea trail if at all possible.
maybe a compression test? a drive pressure test? inspect the gear lub for water and metal fragments?

good luck in your acquisition. imho, these are worthy boats to try to acquire (starting w/ the fact that they're mostly glass boats, let alone the sliding hardtop). i sure like mine anyways.
 
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EverySecond

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Re: Would you buy an uncovered nineteen?

Thanks for all the replies. I'll probably try to get a good look at it when the weather warms up. I've also found a better looking 19 that needs a motor (but has the hard top), so they're both in the running. Every one I've seen has needed extensive interior work - seats and carpets at least so they're all even in that regard. Thankfully all of these boats are within 150 miles, so I don't have to do 550 like ziggy! (I've seen your videos by the way and found them very useful in choosing the 19).

I'll keep you all posted!
 

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I'll keep you all posted!
hope it works out for ya.
one thing we've not discussed is what engine/drive these boats have. if either of them have the omc package, that'd be a deal breaker for me. omc has zero support now a days. also, i don't think the '75 had the option of the mercruiser 470, but if ya find one of them, the 470 has it's issues that are known. granted the 470 was a 170hp engine and the largest available in a nineteen. when talking with AristoCraft, they like these engines in their boats. it's just me, who after reading about 470's for years it's an engine that seems to have a lot of maint. issues to me.
 

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Every one I have seen has had the Merc 120. The two boats I'm considering are '73 and '77 - I must have averaged them out in my head to '75. Here they are -- first the boat that is complete, but uncovered (and has been in regular use prior to storage this winter):

Boat 4 sale

and the one that needs a motor:

1973 ARISTOCRAFT 19 MERCRUISER 120

Both are available for $500. I've found a good running 120 motor for $500, so I'm leaning toward the second one. Being a sailor, I've never done an engine swap, though I can swap sails in a real hurry.
 

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first the boat that is complete, but uncovered (and has been in regular use prior to storage this winter):
if it were me, i'd look that one over real good. that sure is a lot of snow load on it in the pic. + the water that hopefully will drain out when warm temps arrive.
so I'm leaning toward the second one. Being a sailor, I've never done an engine swap, though I can swap sails in a real hurry.
me too. i'm partial to the tangerine color too. + imho, the hardtop is what makes the nineteen so unique. as the the engine swap. it's not to bad, but i'd make sure ya got the oem service manual so it can be done proper. the instructions are in the manual. i've had my engine out once to R&R the oil pan. i made an Aframe to pull the engine and it worked well enough.

ya might check on the mercruiser io part of this forum. but i think the 120 has parts available. the drive would be same as mine, a mc-1 (prealpha if ya wanna call it that). parts are available for this..
 
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i think the op could make that tangerine one work for a bit less than 11k. specially if he's got a line on an engine. the tangerine ones ya don't see as much as the red ones either. might make it worth the restore. the tangerine one looks pretty much oem except the upholstery. looks like a bit of work, but there is likely hope for that one imho. to bad the boats minus engine. why'd the seller sell the engine only? on the plus side, ya can get a good look at the engin bay w/o the engine in it. i'd be carefull of the ft. engine mount bolt holes. there's two of them. from the way i undertand. there is a piece of wood glassed to the bottom to the inside liner. it's one of the few places a nineteen has wood in it. it can rot and make it so ya can't get the engine mount lag bolts to take hold. thus, the ft. of the engine wouldn't be mounted solid, affecting alignment. bad deal. no idea how to repair it, just looks to me to be probably the hardest part of restoring a nineteen. keep in mind that most boats are 2 parts put together. a hull, and a cap. nineteens are a hull, an inner liner, and cap. the inner liners ski locker and ice box is the stringers. other than that it's a totally foam filled boat. imho, a pretty cool and advanced boat for the '70's...... :D
 

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Re: Would you buy an uncovered nineteen?

The showboat would probably be worth it to the right person……which isn't me, unfortunately. I'll certainly do some restoration on whatever I buy, but it won't be an OEM or show boat any time soon. It'll most likely be aftermarket seats and outdoor carpet for this year. Do aftermarket back-to-back seats fit these bases, or can they be made to fit?

I do like what I see of the construction of the nineteen -- the hull liner, fiberglass stringers, fiberglass seat bases, the rear seat and engine covers, etc. Looking at the hardware and some of the small design features (like the venting), it seems like the original boats had some good design and thought that went into them and didn't get removed by the accounting department.
 

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Do aftermarket back-to-back seats fit these bases, or can they be made to fit?
i can only remember seeing one pic of a nineteen w/aftermarket seats in it. they didn't fit. i think i also remember someone talking on this fourm about the fact that he had aftermarket seats but they wouldn't fold out like they were supposed to (into a lounge). the seats are one place a nineteen has wood. they're just 4 boards hinged together w/soft stuff and upolstry on top. i've not replaced mine. but have done some hinge work where the screws wouldn't hold due to wear (slight rot). so far i've been able to keep what i have going. i think the starboard side seat is wider that the port seat. also have them have the capability of turning into a bed is a plus. my 'ol lady uses the lounge i bet every other time out. we over night on ours to. just fold the seats out for an instant soft bed. i'd think it'd be desirable to keep them to factory specs if ya could.
it seems like the original boats had some good design and thought that went into them and didn't get removed by the accounting department.
AristoCraft is a family biz. Claude Turner invented them. his son and grandson still keep AristoCraft alive. They are on the www and ya can still call them on the phone. i don't think they have an accounting dept. ;) yeah! i hate big businesses w/ accounting departments.
 

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The seats in a "19" are 22" wide and the fiberglass seat pedestals that are built into into the inner hull are 20" wide. The cheap aftermarket lounges that I have seen are only 18" wide and made to go on a 13-1/2" wide pedestal. You may be able to modify things and put some supports in there and make it work but I think it would look a little strange with the seats narrower then the pedestals. Like Ziggy said the wide seats are great for sleeping. The wife and I sometimes over night on the boat in Lake Tahoe.
Last year I purchased seat skins from Aristocraft, yes they are still available. My 19 is a 1972. The wood was starting to rot pretty bad and the foam had broke down so much it was basically like sitting on just wood. So over this winter I have been rebuilding them. All new wood, foam and skins. It is taken me some time to get the look that I want but I think it's possible. I am NO upholsterer!! Maybe when I'm done I'll start a how to thread. Ha ha ha
Good luck on the search!
 

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The wife and I sometimes over night on the boat
way to go rj. i've done a lot of overnights on my nineteen. they work real good for that imho. short of no bathroom facility... :eek:
yer lucky ya could get the oem skins. wish i could, but my lime green was only a short production run so mines nla. that's where having a popular color would be a plus i'd think. es, contact aristocraft to see if your color is available from them. as ya see, some are and some are not.
 

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Re: Would you buy an uncovered nineteen?

Turns out both boats have been out uncovered. The tangerine one with the hard top was an auction purchase that guy is just trying to flip for some cash, which is why he sold the engine. I'd still think a tarp would be worth his investment, but what do I know? I'm going to keep my eye open for another one, I guess.

Looks like the seat skins are $900, which really isn't too bad. If I can get a nineteen for the right price it would be really cool to make it look right. I really appreciate the specific info!
 

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Going to look at another nineteen tomorrow. Thought I had found a real steal, until I learned that the previous owner had left the outdrive down when pulling away from the boat ramp, cracking the transom. I'm hoping the damage is something I can deal with, because I really like the looks of this one:

72 aristocraft 19 ft
 

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Too bad he doesn't show the transom. A grand might be a little high unless the rest of the 9Teen is absolutely perfect.
 

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Normally the drive will push up and not damage the transom (they are designed to do that in case you hit something in the water). I'd be worried that the transom was already weak.
I've even backed one up and broken the skeg:facepalm: but didn't damage the transom.
 

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Here are some pics of the boat and transom. Considering what wrench has said, it does lead me to think the transom may be weak. The interior is also rough, but the engine and outdrive have less than 20 hours on them (they were rebuilt just before the transom was damaged). He'll take pretty much any reasonable offer.

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If the engine and drive are verifiabley rebuilt, they're worth more than he's asking by themselves. But if you want to salvage the boat I think you'll have to remove the top at the gunwales and replace all the wood in the transom and maybe the stringers.
 
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