North Korea

[PW2]

Re: North Korea

Hmm.... Let's see

When was it that our cowboy in chief Identified the members of the "axis of evil": Iran, Iraq, and North Korea?

Since then, and thru our diligent efforts, all three have become far more dangerous and far more threatening than they were before.

And our friends on the right keep telling us it is more important than ever to keep doing what we are doing!

I guess the theory is that the worse it gets, the more we need them, and the more we use them, the worse it gets.

To paraphrase one of Will Rogers' maxims, when you find yourself in a hole, quit digging.

 

[txswinner]

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Darth, Sorry I did overlook your post and it is a good reason and has a logical basis. I do not want to attack anyone else as I do not ever want us in a war unless it is to win........ I got to participate in one without that intention and nothing good came out of it.

My why not comment was because I really believe the only reason W was talked into Iraq by Cheney and Rummy was oil, greed and ego, none of them truly W's. I think he got really bad advice from those turds.

Booner, tell me something about the present status of the world that will cheer me up.

 

[Boomyal]

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... but there was no reason (except oil) to attack Iraq.

...in your leftist indoctrinated mind!:/

 

[PW2]

Re: North Korea

With just a couple more derisive adjectives, Boomer, yo'd have convinced me!

 

[cmyers_uk]

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Txwinner , judging from your posts you would love this book "You back the attack, well bomb who we want"

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=br_ss_h...d&keywords=you+back+the+attack&Go.x=10&Go.y=8

If your pro-bush but got a good sense of humour you may like it but I doubt it.

 

[gonefishie]

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Well you gotta admits it, W went in to finish his old man job, that has to be one of the driving force. But, the main thing is that Iraq is a terrorist state and they will use WMD because they're suicidal spitwash. North Korea is just bluffing and they're definetely not stupid enough to use one of them thing and get the wrath of Big Brother U.S. True, he is a dictator, what ever his name is, so is Castro but they're from a different culture and insanely suicidal is not their honorable way to die.

 

[rottenray6402]

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PW, so you think that the axis of evil wouldn't have become more dangerous if W wouldn't have pointed out who they are? Of course you probably are right because there certainly was no aggression in the world when Clinton was in office. I'm sure all of these countries and the Taliban and Al Quida waited until after the election to see who won before they planned any of this.

 

[PW2]

Re: North Korea

PW, so you think that the axis of evil wouldn't have become more dangerous if W wouldn't have pointed out who they are? Of course you probably are right because there certainly was no aggression in the world when Clinton was in office. I'm sure all of these countries and the Taliban and Al Quida waited until after the election to see who won before they planned any of this.

Of course not, and of course the simple mention of them did not in itself cause them to be dangerous.
My point is that after 6 years of following Bush's foreign policy strategy, they are dramatically worse than they were, and not better.

I know there are no simple answers to this, and often it is a process of two steps forward and one step back.

Still, I'd like to see something resembling progress, and as yet we've seen idealogical stubborness, and precious little progress on any front.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Please define how they are worse.

So far they have only sabre rattled, thier ability to do harm has not changed. North Korea has had nukes for a long time. They have launched missles before. Iran has hated us for a long time. They have pursed WMD for a long time.

Stop blaming Bush for everything.

And offer an alternative, or does the left have one???

 

[CJY]

Re: North Korea

I have an alternative, VOTE DEMOCRAT!:^

 

[Dave Abrahamson]

Re: North Korea

I have an alternative, VOTE DEMOCRAT!:^

 

[aspeck]

Re: North Korea

Oh Dave, that just ain't right! :^ :% d

 

[CJY]

Re: North Korea

Dave said;

"I was unaware we were taking all the Iraqis' oil.
How come the gas prices don't go down if we now have their oil? :/
Are we brining it back here in those big oil freighters?
Where is all this oil you all keep saying were at war over?"

W is not going to straight up "take their oil," but he continues to encourage them to rebuild using it once Iraq is stable. Even then, oil prices will not drop. W is in the oil business and he knows if oil prices drop, oil companies will go belly up. He knows this very basic economic principal first hand. This same exact thing happened to him after forming Arbusto Energy Inc. Oil prices dropped and his company eventually went belly up. Only diff between then and now; he has zero influence on oil production and it cost him his company. Prices are up where he needs them, and is not going to do anything to bring them down. He does talk a good game though. Whatever happened to his AEI? I don't hear much regarding it these days. As crunch time nears, I am sure it will be brought back as a way to try to influence voters.


He could care less over what we pay at the pump, as long as his "base" is making milliions or billions. He began in the oil business, he is still tied to it and will publicly re-enter after his final term.

Interesting that his original venture was invested in by none other than the Bin Laden family.

So, bottom line is, it has every thing to do with oil. Although a poor one, W is a business man, and he knows how to make money for his oil cronies. N. Korea will not line anybodies pockets except for Haliburton and they have already been taken care of via Iraq.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/bush073099.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbusto_Energy

 

[rottenray6402]

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And here all of this time I thought W was encouraging Iraq to use the oil money to rebuild so that our tax dollars wouldn't be spent doing it. Golllly, I shure feel stoopid now. :'(

 

[Bob Fort]

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And it shall be revealed to all of ye on January 20, 2009....

 

[kenimpzoom]

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CJY you should take the time to research facts instead of regurgitating liberal BS.

The division of Halliburton in Iraq is for sale. Wanna know why... cause the profits stink.

Please explain what the president can do to influence oil prices in a global supply and demand commodity market.

I dont even know why I bother aruguing with someone who chooses to blindly believe that liberal propaganda. I really only post here for others to see the other side of the story.

Ken

 

[Dave Abrahamson]

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"if oil prices drop, oil companies will go belly up"?

If that's the case, why didn't they go belly up before the big price hike?
They were making plenty of cash when gas prices were about a buck a gallon cheaper than today.
I realize you said "oil prices", but it trickles down to the gas pump eventually.

 

[JoeW]

Re: North Korea

It's been a long while since I've visited this forum. Great to see you all still at it. Glad to see that comrads PW2 and his new partner txwinner still in the game. Political discussions get so boring when everyone sees things from the same perspective.

Let's see, even the liberal biased NY Times has concurred that the evidence retrieved from Zarqawi shows that he was operating his cell in Iraq long before the US invaded. Remind me again... which Al Queda cells do we believe are operating in North Korea?

 

[txswinner]

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Oil prices drop, and gas drops, then CEO do not get the $440,000,000 retirement. He who holds control of supply wins. The war in Iraq was not to get the oil to make gas at lesser prices but to control the Iraqi oil therefore the supply to the WORLD and cause a false shortage. Where do you think the Iraqi's were selling the oil to during the embargo. How about China, Europe and friends. Now they buy from a controlled stock held by who???? Please just think about it.

 

[CJY]

Re: North Korea

Ken,

Yes, for sale because the "jig is up." they got paid while America was asleep at the wheel, and now they have to get out because the playing field has been forced to become level. Contracts were great until they were found out. By the way, I think you should do some research rather than regurgitate conservative BS. I also feel the same regarding discussion with you. I really do not understand how you can blindly follow that conservative propaganda.

I think I understand your mode of operation, Ken. Everything is fine until somebody points out something that is not defendable by you, then you go on the credibility/personal attack. Pretty weak tactic, actually.

You asked me to do some research, Ken. Again, I think you should. Follow with me now.

Ken, you said;

"Please explain what the president can do to influence oil prices in a global supply and demand commodity market."

I answered it. Maybe you did not understand my answer. I said AEI. Did you read that in my post? It was there. Rather than dismiss it as liberal BS, perhaps you should have googled it. You know, "research" it. AEI means ADVANCED ENERGY INITIATIVE. One of W's babies. It was W's plan to bring down our dependance on foriegn oil. You know, so we don't have to pay as much. Just to make sure I spell it out for you Ken, we use less oil, the market is flooded, and oil prices drop. Are you with me? Research Ken, research. It is tha basis for any quality arguement, no matter what the language.

Here is something directly from the Whitehouse on AEI Ken. No liberal BS. I really wish you would do your own research rather than accuse me of not doing any.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/01/20060131-6.html

For future reference Ken, if you want to play the credibility or personal attack game, expect the same from me.

Dave,

When prices are up and money is flowing freely, everybody and their brother can profit in the oil business. When prices drop, and money gets tight, somebody goes belly up. The ones that go belly up are the ones poorly run. That leaves W and his cronies on the losing end.

Are you all telling me W did not begin Arbusto Energy Inc? that Arbusto did not fall to low oil prices? Keep your heads burried in the sand and all will be better tomorrow....at least for W and his cronies.

Joe,

That is not the reason we attacked Iraq. We attacked Iraq to diffuse Hussein and his WMD. At least that is what we were told up front.Iraq had none, and I hear W and his cabinet saying they are once again sure N. Korea has them. They also believe they have the missile that may be able to deliver them to our west coast. Mix in a bit of oil in North Korea, and we have a recipe for war.