American?

[kenimpzoom]

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An American is someone who works hard for a living, pays his taxes, loves his country, takes pride in his country, and will fight for his country.

The problem with America is rich lazy parents. They dont teach their kids squat. Just buy them stuff and let the TV educate them.

I dont care how rich I get, my kids will still help around the house, drive junk cars, and pay thier own way, just like I did.

Ken

 

[mattttt25]

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This young person finds it humorous that an adult can't spell the words remember, being, fiercely, allegiance, American, taught, fought, I've, government, didn't, beings, entitled, rebuilt, and several others.

 

[12Footer]

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This young person finds it humorous that an adult can't spell the words remember, being, fiercely, allegiance, American, taught, fought, I've, government, didn't, beings, entitled, rebuilt, and several others.

Where i agree that spelling and grammar are sort of needed in order to comprehend written thought, I get a chuckle out of those who make it a central issue, play teacher, or use it to derail the topic.

Back on-point, I agree the Katrina's effects on New Orleans was devistating, but to claim the people would react the same is just not so. Sure, Miami/Homestead after Andrew are prime examples of the effects of a strong huirricane upon a large metropolitan area. But after a couple years, the news stories waned -- The cities recovered. After the storm, there were as many stories as there were people effected, same as N/O.
But N/O, an equally-liberal city to Miami, showed how the promised utopia was smoke and mirrors. Those dependant upon others for everything, fouind themselves at the mercy of the real world.
Two years ago H-Cane Charley cut a swath of devestation thru SW Florida. Punta Gorda, Arcadia and Cape Coral, Florida (hit directly). They are still not 100% after two years. But the physical changes to these cities are clearly visable. These cities have rallied-around their niegbors. The stories from those effected sound the same... But they reached-out in other directions -- to family, church, nieghbors, as opposed to Red Cross/FEMA/presidents. Sure, FEMA and the R/'C were intrumental, and there en mass to help, stiill some helpless people whined the same songs as some in N/O did, and channel 2 news cameras were there to seek-out the loudest of the whiners.

But Solidwaste has a point ... These cities look NOTHING like they used to! There are vacant lots where the oldest,weakest structures once stood. There are new homes and buisnesses built-upon the remains of others -- everyone has new roof shingles. There is a fresher "feel" to these towns.... And a greater appreciation of the power of nature, the power of compassion, and the value of self-reliance.
The latter is what Solid Waste adressed here in his own words.
My take is the he does not understand what he has whitnessed, because he has never been so close to so many people who look SOULY toward the gub'ment to bail them out of whaterver God-forsaken hole they get into.

Solidwaste, first-off; Thank you for your service!
And you just keep on spelling words however you like!!!
I undertood every point you made, and i cannot say that about some of the elitist book-snobs amoung an otherwise esteamed membership here.
These dig-tactics at spelling/grammar are often used as weapons by the "I'm more educated than you,so I am smarter" crowd. When they have no real rebuttal that can be offered-up to the facts presented. So they resort to personal assault --- and any preceived weakness is fair game.
Your contempt for the "self-made helpless" is shared by more of us than you know.
and Semper Fi!

 

[xtraham]

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and when help arived, they mobbed and shot at them.......

 

[fireman57]

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The people of FL for the most part rebuild with the help they get. The people of NO won't use the help they get for the intended purposes and then complain that they were kicked out of the nice hotel without a place to go. FL is rebuilt by their people and NO is abandonded by their people.

 

[txswinner]

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Please do not try to tell me or anyone else that the people of FL. made the recovery because they are better Americans.

They had tons of public assistance, yes FEMA is still working in FL. The devastation in FL was nothing close to the flood of NO. The evacuation in FL was days not months.

What many have forgotten in NO is the absence of jobs for the workers in NO. No not the poor welfare sucking evil people. What about the Dentist whose clients have not returned. What about the city worker no longer needed. The policemen not needed as population is 1/2 of previous number. What about the vendors and workers at the Superdome (no game, no beer salesmen). How about the loss of jobs in the restaurants, tire stores, beer distributors, people working in schools, Tulane, the zoo, 7-11 and on and on.

Anyone who blames the NO thing solely on the people of NO is, let's just say ill informed.

Another thing in this thread, the accusation of hatred in this country appears to come from the one most filled with that hate.

 

[txswinner]

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I need to rant now.

I challenge any of you who are so opposed to social welfare to go to a poor neighborhood and look into the eyes of some 4-5 year old black kid with no father, ratty clothed, unkept and unsupervised, living with auntie or grandma cause mom is a drug addict, 10 other kids in the house, and explain to me how he has a chance in AMERICA. Land of the free, with the rights of LIfe Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

We are all born equal, was once our slogan. Take the trip, look into those eyes and tell me the kid is not worth helping. If you say no, then I guess I am the weak liberal you so love to describe.

 

[QC]

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We are all born equal, was once our slogan. Take the trip, look into those eyes and tell me the kid is not worth helping. If you say no, then I guess I am the weak liberal you so love to describe.

And that right there ladies and gentlemen is why some equate conservative with mean. Fact is that the only way to break the cycle of dependence is to teach how to pull oneself out of those circumstances. Hand-up not handout.

Of course those eyes deserve helping. I don't believe any decent human being would disagree with you txs. Again, it is how we help, not if . . .

 

[txswinner]

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QC, I agree it is through education but to do so we must get them out of their environment. I have agrued this for years but am about convinced we will not do it.

With so many generations of non-working people, it would take some strongly not PC efforts to reverse. Yes even some removal of freedom and all know how I feel about that.

Birth rates in welfare families must be stopped. Both parents of the welfare child need to be sterlized. How is that coming from this liberal mouth.

 

[fireman57]

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txs that is exactly what I said earlier. The problem with government help is that it takes people's pride away. I don't have the answer but this way is not working. I never said FL residents were any more or less american than NO residents. I only said that FL people are rebuilding and NO people have left even when offered a job with decent money to rebuild their own place. NO residents basically went somewhere else rather than stay and help while getting paid. If most of these people wanted to work they could have had a job in the first place. This tells me that they really don't want to work and they know they don't have to. To me this indicates a lack of pride in themselves. I never said these folks don't need help and I would never refuse to help them. I like your thought about the removal of freedoms but that won't happen with our lawyers and courts.

 

[Boomyal]

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We are all born equal.......

...until Uncle Sam, with the power of the the Liberals, constructed welfare policies that destroyed families, created an overpowering sense of entitlement and bolstered a false sense of self pride.

...and you, txwinner, just want to keep on whining and sniveling like a guilty white boy, and continue to perpetuate the same old form of modern day slavery!!!

 

[LadyFish]

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On a sidenote, I found it strange that they somehow found the $183,000,000 to repair the Superdome while people are still without electric and water in some areas of N.O. Makes you wonder about their priorities. :/

 

[JB]

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Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.

He will be back tomorrow for more fish, and in 20 years his children will be with him. . . . and so on. You will create a culture of dependent victims.

Give a man a net, teach him to fish, DO NOT give him a fish and natural selection will determine what happens next.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Lf, TX hit the nail on the head in an earlier post.....
While it seems that getting the Superdome up & running is a twisted prority, it will put people back to work & give the local economy a much needed boost....
Professional sports generate alot of revenue from out of towners & do create a lot of jobs..........JK

 

[Bondo]

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" God Helps those who Help Themselves "


And so do I,.................

Whenever I stumble accross a person who's Trying to accomplish something,+ Can't,...............
I Jump In,+ start Helping...........

If I find somebody making No Effort,....................
WHY should I Waste Mine,..??..??.........................

 

[Boomyal]

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.....and natural selection will determine what happens next.

Yeah but, natural selection never provided any votes for the Democratic Party!

 

[12Footer]

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I need to rant now.
I challenge any of you who are so opposed to social welfare to go to a poor neighborhood and look into the eyes of some 4-5 year old black kid with no father, ratty clothed, unkept and unsupervised, living with auntie or grandma cause mom is a drug addict, 10 other kids in the house, and explain to me how he has a chance in AMERICA. Land of the free, with the rights of LIfe Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. We are all born equal, was once our slogan. Take the trip, look into those eyes and tell me the kid is not worth helping. If you say no, then I guess I am the weak liberal you so love to describe.

That aint no rant, Mate...This is a rant;



Ok. I'll bite.

First off, you make the presumption that ALL those opposed to social welfare are opposed to welfare PERIOD. It's an old worn-out liberal trick from the same worn-out play book. But I'm responding anyhow to expose this thinly-veiled attempt at labling and lumping for EXACTLY what it is. I will provide an illustration of patriotism with candor and pride. It is only the requested "explanation" as to why white guilt no longer rules my response to would-be thieves.
Secondly, you think being black is some sort of disease to cure by throwing money and jobs at "the afflicted". Hear me out, because even tho you havent uttered those words, you challenge whitey here to look into a black kid's eyes and all that rot. You make the assumption that because I am white, I am guilty. Well I'm not buying that liberal vitriol anymore!

I am opposed to socialist welfare, not social welfare. There is a difference. Socialist welfare is the "robyn hood" system made famous by Karl Marx, and adopted by socialists and liberals globally. It has been proven to never werk when or wherever it has been tried -- EVER!
It is often forced upon the citizenry, sometimes at gunpoint, by draconian regimes bent upon stealing from the rich,and giving to the poor. Once they have reached "equality", by ruining the incentive to succede, by taxing them into apathy, while creating a dependant
and entitlement-oriented subculture in the process, they blame those who did their best to stop them. Go figure!
Then, their usual answer is to raise taxes even more (read; "extort"), while creating even more "needy" people, with a growing list of basic needs, the supply comming from "the rich".
TX, your hypathetical example of "going into to a poor
neighborhood and looking into the eyes of some 4-5 year old black kid with no father, ratty clothed, unkept and unsupervised, living with auntie or grandma cause mom is a drug addict, 10 other kids in the house, and explaining to {you} how he has a chance in AMERICA.
(wa-wa-wa)", does not float well with me at all....
And here is why. I was born into a large, poor family . I had four brothers.four sisters, had an often-missing father (he werked all over the state, and we only saw him on rare weekends. With 10 depedants, it is a dang good thing he did!! I wore either hand-me-down clothing, or clothing/shoes purchased at second-hand stores. My mother werked as a music instructor once the youngest kids were in school. Basically, my older sisters raised me, and my older brothers taught me how to fight, and if out-gunned, how to protect the more "vital extremities" ---
Literally.
Your hypothetical 4-5year old has an advantage I was not given.... He was born black in an era of "Affirmative action". So even tho my grandfather, much less, my father, much less myself, didn't have a stinkin thing to do with "slavery" or "oppression", your hypathetical kid is being raised by "the state" (Read: "my grandfather, my father and me" ) -- This child will learn the value of the whine as opposed to the value of the buck! See post-Katrina documentaries for any fills on this demographic.
He will also learn how to "hide the stash" before answering the door --- lest mom goes away for three months.
Pitiful? Yes, of course. Am i guilty?
No, his parents are,along with those who raised his parents (IE, Jesse Jackson and Joselyne Elders).
I only bring this up because you challenged me to, and in hopes of getting this entire concept thru your head somehow; that I didn't get the crackhead mother hooked on crack ,or pregnant either!

I will help. Besides the tythe (the amount outlined plainly in the Bible that I give to the church), I will give to our programs, which do a much better job of helping the needy than the state does (dollar-for-dollar, too)... I give what I feel I can, not what i am forced to. It feels great to be able to help in this particular fashion also! And they don't even have to hold a gun to my head... Immagine that!

Now, to " explain to {YOU} how he (your black kid) has a chance in AMERICA":


He has a greater than equal chance BECAUSE "we are all born equal", as you said.. And it STILL IS "our slogan".At least, it is to those of us who are still patriotic,and believe in the power of the individual American to pursue happiness.. It is sad, yet not my fault, that some perceive "happiness" as a loaded crack pipe -- so they pursue it. They do indeed "Take the trip" so why do I have to take it for them? I "look into those eyes" ,as you put it, every morning and night, when I see myself in the mirror. I was that child, without the advantage granted minorities. Yet, I STILL like what i see, am proud of what the guy has done with his life (for the most part) and what he overcame.
I thank God every day for the help with the speed addiction I burdened myself with as a young idiot. What I see in the mirror, I made with God's help. Back then when i was stupid,I faced life like your hypothetical kid had better -- I was worth helping. Yet, I looked around, and everyone was too busy or unable to help me. I dealt with "life's lottery", and relied on something else -- a "sure thing". I could win provided I didn't allow loss to win. When I give back, I won't say "no" to your hypathetical kid.... I'll pay my taxes.

So I guess "{YOU ARE} the weak liberal {I} so love to describe".... Love is a strong word, Tex. I would "LOVE" it , if only you took the above to heart, or at minimum, understoood it. I know that is asking a lot of a liberal, as
we obviously come from different molds.
Because even tho we are both Americans, only one still believes in the entire concept of the word,"American", as opposed to taking quotes from our constitution or the preamble out of context in order to RIP THE WORD TO SHREADS!!!!! You probably not only support, but encourage the burning of our flag, too. Most libs do.

BTW -- Why do you self-proclaimed "Americans" use these national treasures for such insidious causes?!
It boggles my neo-con mind!

Get with the program, TX, or proudly wear your own labels, as proudly as I do my own.

 

[Boomyal]

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...and I repeat, for those that do not listen because it does not fit their agenda:

[colour=red]...until Uncle Sam, with the power of the the Liberals, constructed welfare policies that destroyed families, created an overpowering sense of entitlement and bolstered a false sense of self pride.

...and you, txwinner, just want to keep on whining and sniveling like a guilty white boy, and continue to perpetuate the same old form of modern day slavery!!![/colour]

 

[12Footer]

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'zacly, Boom.
You and I stated prettymuch the same thing, only you have the gift of brevity (the soul of wit and all that).


The only question is, will TX take the lesson we gave him, or continue his werk for aljazeeerah?