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JB

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Getting too personal, here, guys.

Let's cool it a bit.
 

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solidwaste said:
All this hurricane knowlenge coming from someone who lives in where? Wisconson if I have a question about snow plowing I ll take youre advise but not on this issue. Talk to someone who lived through Andrew Homestead didnt have that many killed. And it was back up and runing in a little over a year. And no youre house wouldnt be saved if you werent there but you would and youre kids would be there. How many poeple did you see when they were asked were are youre kids. What was there responce. I dont know? What Are you kidding me why didnt they know? Cause they didnt care. I know were my kids are at all times and Im sure everyone here does as well. Thats the kind of people that im talking about I dont know where they are guess ill have to make some more so I can get that bigger check.

Actually I have a friend who lives in Ft Meyers who I have visited and been down there during a hurricane, I have two aunts that live in Fla and an uncle who live in Gulf Shores AL. So I have some hurricane "knowlege". Just because you live down there doesnt make you some kind of hurricane expert.

I think you are just completely not getting what I am saying. It was a bad situation in New Orleans where the worst that could possibly happen did. There are plenty of rich folks who still dont have homes back, its not just the people you keep bringing up, thats not the point though. When Florida has that same scale of damage and death let me know, cuz I will be interested to see how quickly you recover. Its not just THAT a city got wiped out, its HOW that city got wiped out.




 

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I agree with solidwaste and DWJ in principle. More so with DWJ. The part that struck a cord with me is when solid said it is me me me and I'm entitled. I am 50 and am being painted with a fairly wide brush on this thread and I know that it is not meant to be that way. The difference in FL and NO is that you have taxpayers, incomes, and propery owners in FL. Most in NO were on some kind of government aid. The people did let themselves down. They were offered jobs with a decent income to help rebuild their city and dang few showed up for them. It seems like the feeling was since the government has supported me all these years they can do this themselves because they owe me. They should have to rebuild the home that I lived in for all these years because they paid all the bills for me while I was in that home. I haven't had to do anything before to get by why would I start now. The one problem I have with government aid is that it takes their pride away. I have noticed that the last 15 or so years that the pc of this country has gone wildly out of control and the other countries have taken advantage of it. If you do or say something wrong in this country you blame it on someone not being tolerant of your rights. But if they do something you don't agree with then you are a racist, unAmerican, or a liberal/conservative. The whole point being is that there is no middle ground anymore on any discussion whether on this forum, in Congress, or in your own back yard. It seems like everyone is intolerant because they accuse everyone else of being intolerant. The same as the prisoners at Gitmo have done because they know that there is some group that will take up their cause all the way to the Supreme Court for nothing. They are not even citizens of this country but they have the same rights as the citizens do. Go to their country and spout the things against their country and see what happens to you. This is still the best place to live on earth. How many people do you see sneaking out of here to live somewhere else. I can see very clearly why some people believe that we shouldn't be in Iraq. But you know what? We are there. Now why don't we all get together and figure out what we are going to do. The worst thing that can happen in the Middle East is that the government in Iraq works like it should. They will be able to defend their borders and their country. They will have a robust economy pumping oil. If the government works like it should then the people of Iraq will have a share of this money in their pockets. They will buy goods and services and their standard of living will be very high. Alaska pay no taxes basically because the oil income is distributed to each family. If Iraq empowers their people and they have spending money in their pockets the regimes of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, and other countries will be overthrown by their own people or those people will leave for a better place to live. At that point, being Arabs, will be Iraq. The making and keeping of a country is a long and brutal affair if it is done correctly. The other assumption here is that the people in the government are there for the good of the people and not just a furtherment (if that is a word) of their own desires. For the ones that know me this is my first rant ever on this or any forum. At my picnic table having a few beers I do them but so far this is my first one in public. For that I apologize sincerely. I accidently hurt jtexas feelings a couple weeks ago but I think that I corrected what I meant to say. I think he realized that it was interpreted wrong. But, like some others at iboats, I am tired of having politicians and members of this forum insulted with the name calling.
 

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solidwaste,

All is not lost. Keep your children away from the television and the internet (moderation) and let them hone their skills with a craft. Help them to find themselves, not let the education system keyhole them into their little fixed models. Reward them for accomplishments not rites of passage, let them earn their keep, support them always. Give nothing when they do nothing. Teach them the value of a dollar, a good days work, a friend, the wonder that is our world. Make them respect authority but not bow to it, and by doing so benefit from it. Let them know that titles mean nothing and opinions are useless. Always give them a place to sleep, a warm meal, and an open ear. Walking away from a fight is not always the right thing to do, and having to live with the consequences may be the result.

When you get to know some of these younger people, you will be suprised how impressive they can be. You are right that there are those more interested in making them dependant on others for gain. Those people are leach's. They are interested only in themselves. They wish to undermine your parental authority, your family values, and your religious beliefs. Some are teachers, priests/religious, neighbors, professors, POLITICIANS, doctors, lawyers, etc. But when a child trusts his family will always be there for them, and will always support them, they cannot be corrupted by those who have their own agendas.

Some kids grow up to be liberals, some to be conservative, some won't give a rat's *** about government. But all will appreciate that this country provides them the best opportunity, and that it is up to them to make their dreams come true. In this way they will understand the value of themselves and appreciate what they are capable of and what they have. Any"thing" simply given to them, has little value.

There is no doubt that hard work has been given a bad rap, responsibility is out of vogue, consequences are non-existant, idolitry is rampant, envy is accepted, crime is rationalized for political reasons, and morals eliminated. But not everywhere. With a solid foundation, no child would berate, undermind, or hate this country. They will support our little experiment, and change it for the better. I don't blame any age group or sub group for anything. Personal responsibilty and rugged individualism will return, or we will end up like Russia, and the cycle will start again. I have to admitt that things I see are concerning. I can't let the PC and Anti-American crowd affect what I have to do to make MY world American. I have had my world ripped bare three times. I mean to nothing but the clothes in the closet and lint in the wallet. In a way, I find I am at my best when I had nothing. Regardless, there are those who think they ripped off the system down in NO. But they are just lying to themselves and will be looking for another way to steal shortly. But this time the government won't be there with free check cards for votes.

To be honest, I don't think I could live in an area so comfortable with the looting, theft, lies, laziness, lethargy, and self imposed helplessness. But not everyone. Good people everywhere, just a matter of degrees. I guess the sad part is those who find the most pathetic ways of explaining away the shameful actions of so many in LA. It will happen, things will get bad, and I am sure those same people will be sitting there looking pathetic waiting for their government handout and those same people will try to make it the responsibility of others.. I just won't be one of them.

Right and wrong is somewhat instinctive. But things can change. Thats how we arrived where we are today. Tommorrow is a good day.
 

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I like what you said pointer. The problem is everyone wants to challenge the least little thing. It's like the lawyers have taken over the country and distort the least misstep into winning that point. After that everything they say is right.

I still apologize for my rant but it did feel good.
 

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This is still the best place to live on earth. How many people do you see sneaking out of here to live somewhere else. I can see very clearly why some people believe that we shouldn't be in Iraq. But you know what? We are there. Now why don't we all get together and figure out what we are going to do. The worst thing that can happen in the Middle East is that the government in Iraq works like it should. They will be able to defend their borders and their country. They will have a robust economy pumping oil. If the government works like it should then the people of Iraq will have a share of this money in their pockets. They will buy goods and services and their standard of living will be very high. Alaska pay no taxes basically because the oil income is distributed to each family. If Iraq empowers their people and they have spending money in their pockets the regimes of Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, and other countries will be overthrown by their own people or those people will leave for a better place to live. At that point, being Arabs, will be Iraq. The making and keeping of a country is a long and brutal affair if it is done correctly.

Well said... words to live by.
 
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This is still the best place to live on earth. How many people do you see sneaking out of here to live somewhere else.

There is one, on this board that wants to, really bad.

I'm not sure how this thread got sidetracked to Katrina victims, but it did.

Katrina victims are of two sorts. I hate to generalize, but that is what's wrong with this counttry. We let the slackers-slack-under the guise of-"understanding and caring".

I, personally, have a freind (Hammond, LA) that saw the devistation and is living it. He told me, at a meeting about a month ago, of how he and his neighbors got together. They cleared trees, they temporariliy fixed roofs, they got together and got electricity going (after SIX weeks), More and more. In a nutshell, NO fingers were pointed, nobody to blame, except a storm.

Yet, what do we see on TV? We see whining, whining, biotching and more whining from those that have never had a job, much less wanted one. 2nd and 3rd generation "takers". Welfare recipients.

Do we have an obligation to help those people, you bet we do. But help ends when an able soul decides to leave work because it's "too hard" and I have to get up, in the morning.

I've been getting my keester out of bed, before daylight, for 30 years only to have half my pay taken to give to those that won't. I'm MAD, damn MAD.
 

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DWJ said:
In today's world, Im a freak because:

1. I have a job, and a good one.

2. I've been married to same woman for 26 years and love her more than ever.

3. I have a plan for retirement, other than the lottery. My own, not company or government.

Man, there are a lot of freaks in my neighborhood . . . Personally, I am planning on the lottery and I've only been with my wife for 20 years but I'm trying to qualify.

Pssst: Speaking of freaks, I think Madonna is gonna try and sneak back in . . .
 

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If you really want to know why, it is because Darwinism no longer works in the USA. Weak people are prevented from death by all these medical miracles.

But, you do paint a a really pretty picture of the past, and you know it wasnt always that pretty. Many things have improved.

Political correctness and the media will be the downfall of the USA.

Ken
 

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solidwaste:

IMO, the older generation has been asleep at the switch, not looking too closely at what their children have been taught. And now the damage is far advanced, and the country’s bureaucracies are packed and crowded with people who haven’t a clue. Oddly, the United States is undermined by a national psychology that tolerates sedition and treason as if these were legitimate forms of dissent.

Thats not the America I was born and raised in. Much has changed over the years and I honestly feel that in another 50 -100 years that the culture that once was America will be lost forever.
 

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DWJ said:
I'm not sure how this thread got sidetracked to Katrina victims, but it did.

LOL. Katrina victims are the original subject of the thread.

It was hijacked by some other **** ***** ******* who wanted to complain about "young people".

[note: don't bother trying to decode the asterisks - they aren't the result of the automated censor; I just typed 'em that way - sort of a generic taunt]

btw, I agree about the "second and third generation welfare recipients" - but don't you think they need role models other than their parents - or else they'll just teach their children the same, it's all they know. Somebody somewhere has got to step in and break that cycle; them doing it themselves is about as likely as a tornado sweeping through a junkyard spontaneously assembling a fully functional boeing 747.
 

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Houston would like to get rid of a bunch of those poor Katina victims that have raised the crime rate in their city. Houston needs a new mayor and police chief too. BTY the mayor is a Dem.
 

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Here's one man's description of what he thinks being an American means.

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I do not choose to be a common man. It is my right to be uncommon...if I can

I seek opportunity...not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed.

I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia.

I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act for myself; enjoy the benefits of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, this I have done.

All this is what it means to be an American.

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LFK

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Anyone that is a resident of North, Central, or South America is technically an American.
 

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LadyFish said:
solidwaste:

IMO, the older generation has been asleep at the switch, not looking too closely at what their children have been taught. And now the damage is far advanced, and the country’s bureaucracies are packed and crowded with people who haven’t a clue. Oddly, the United States is undermined by a national psychology that tolerates sedition and treason as if these were legitimate forms of dissent.

Thats not the America I was born and raised in. Much has changed over the years and I honestly feel that in another 50 -100 years that the culture that once was America will be lost forever.

You're a good tack driver LF. You've just said the most with the least. Although all persuasions are somewhat complicit, I need not mention here what party is most responsible for this cancerous ethic.

LadyFish said:
Here's one man's description of what he thinks being an American means.

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I do not choose to be a common man. It is my right to be uncommon...if I can

I seek opportunity...not security. I do not wish to be a kept citizen, humbled and dulled by having the state look after me. I want to take the calculated risk; to dream and to build, to fail and to succeed.

I refuse to barter incentive for a dole. I prefer the challenges of life to the guaranteed existence; the thrill of fulfillment to the stale calm of utopia.

I will not trade freedom for beneficence nor my dignity for a handout. I will never cower before any master nor bend to any threat. It is my heritage to stand erect, proud and unafraid; to think and act for myself; enjoy the benefits of my creations and to face the world boldly and say, this I have done.

All this is what it meant to be an American.

author unknown

The author may be unknown be we can say with a certainty it was not authored by anyone from the party of Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, John Kerry, et al.
 

Haut Medoc

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What about JFK?
I could see him uttering that statement.....
 

QC

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JFK would be considered a conservative today.
 
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