Subject: USA

QC

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CJY,

Two immediate reactions:

1) The crime in DC is well known, just not the comaparitive death rate from violence which is the point of this discussion, and

2) I would not have believed it if I didn't read it with my own eyes. The crime rate in DC is W's fault. OMG!!!

And you brought up political BS . . .
 

CJY

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My point is that he should clean up his own back yard before worrying about someone elses. The crap that has been going on in Iraq has lasted long before W came to office, but he is trying to clean that up, is he not. Did I say Iraq was his fault? I never said all of Iraq is his fault, just like I never said all of DC is his fault.

Nice attempt at grandstanding, but you should have thought it out a bit further.

QC, you honestly don't think W has any responsibility to the USA! That is crazy!
 

rodbolt

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I did not see where it was anyones fault, just where it appears from the outside not much has been done to stop it.
G W cannot control the DC police force, its not his job. however he can put someone in charge that could actually get the job done. but he wont or shall I say hasnt.
if enough political pressure and financial pressure was brought to bear on the DC city govt things may possibly change.
maybe a start would be to fire the first 3 layers of management at HLS and tell the replacements they have 30 days to stop in inflow of illegal drugs or the next guys will have a shot at it on day 31.
the last many years politicans seem more and more to cover each other and use smoke and mirrors and less and less actually taking responsibility.
 

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QC,

Trying to make DC as well as the rest of the USA a better place and being at fault for their problems are two different things.

I never stated they were his fault. I also believe he absolutely has a responsibity to this country and its well being.
 

QC

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CJY said:
QC, you honestly don't think W has any responsibility to the USA! That is crazy!

How in heck did you glean that from my comment? That is crazy . . . I simply cannot believe that a City's specific circumstances, that has been dominated by Democrat politicians, can be blamed on any President with the exception that the entire country is under his "watch". With that logic the Amish school shootings were directly W's fault too. Come on, you're reaching and you know it . . .

BTW, "the United States Constitution places the District of Columbia under the sole control of Congress" Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Council_of_the_District_of_Columbia

I believe they spell that touche' . . . :love: you too
 

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rodbolt said:
IG W cannot control the DC police force, its not his job. however he can put someone in charge that could actually get the job done. but he wont or shall I say hasnt.

So he can't control the DC police force, but he's supposed to put some in charge there to fix it? Since when it the President of the United States job to appoint police cheifs? Or clean up police deparments? I thought that was was upto the local government.
 

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CJY said:
My point is that he should clean up his own back yard before worrying about someone elses. I never said all of DC is his fault.

Nice attempt at grandstanding, but you should have thought it out a bit further.

QC, you honestly don't think W has any responsibility to the USA! That is crazy!

What the hell are you talking about CJY,
It is NOT the presidents job to clean up DC! Do you really believe that GWB isn't showing any responsibilty to the USA by not cleaning up DC?
 

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Ok, so if nothing that happens in this country or world is W's fault, what exactly has he been doing the last six years?

You cannot proclaim him a leader, and absolve him from any responsibility for anything.
 

rodbolt

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you dont read well do you ?
I never mentioned he could appoint police chiefs, in fact I specifically mentioned the president could not.
however he can control political presssures on congress and finanicail pressures on the same body, especially since its republican controlled.
maybe if the wise folks of DC had not elected a drug user/dealer a couple of times they would be better off. however last I looked the dope head was fairly elected,more than once.
over the years I have been in various leadership positions myself, occasionally I would have to call in a petty officer or a leadman(civilian) and explain the objectives I had and a time limit they had to accomplish it or the next guy would have that job.
authority to accomplish a task or an objective can be delegated. the responsibility of failing the task or objective cannot be delegated.
if master chief came in at 15:30 and said petty officer idiot I want this space painted by 07:30 thats a task.
its now my responsibility to accomplish that task.
if I grab two seaman recuits and tell them to paint the space and go home to my ranch and the next day at 07:30 that space aint painted who will get called into master chiefs office and can I use the excuse I told them SR's what to do ?
thats why the president is supposed to be a CiC.
 

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I read just fune pal, read what YOU said. After you have done that and have an original thought, then you MAY reply to me.
 

rodbolt

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I guess eveyone missed the line where I said It was Not G W's job to control the police force,its not his job.
however the above situation with the painting almost actually happened.
the capt noticed some painting flaws in a common area "owened" by CO division.
I was the CO duty petty officer that night.
master chief called me up and said petty officer idiot make it happen by muster tomorrow.
I tasked a couple FC SR strikers with the painting job. when I went back at 1800 still no paint was being applied.
I sent both to master chief and painted the stanchions myself.
had I not there would have been a very good chance the first conversation my master chief would have had the next morning would have been with the capt, the second conversation master chief would have had I would be in on it and mostly the focus of it.

both the seaman recuit strikers got transfered to deck division the next day.

thats how authority and responsibility work.

G W's responsibilty is to set the task,goals and objectives.
the authority to accomplish said goals,tasks and objectives is delegated by the OFFICE of the president.
if the persons delegated to accomplish such goals and tasks fail they need to be replaced by persons that CAN and WILL accomplish them.
but either way the OFFICE of the presidency is responsible for the achievements and failures of the delegates.
thats why its called a chain of command and sewage actually does flow both ways.

so its not the OFFICE of the presidents fault anything occurs, its the ultimate responsibility everything occurs.

its not like the president can directly appoint folks in local govts, he can appoint folks that can influnce and change laws and policies.

DC is really no worse than any of the US major cities.
all of them are nasty.
sailors are very big targets in Chicago and get mugged all the time just outside of NTC's gate 4.

when I spent a year at NTC Great Lakes there were certain bars and areas that the CO of NTC great lakes had declared offlimits to sailors, same at Norfolk Naval station norfolk VA.

so the 9/11 thing happened on G W's watch. its his responsibility. aint no getting around that FACT.

the response to it was and is G W's responsibility, no getting around that FACT.
what I dont understand is why the same cabinet members for all departments are still employed by the US govt?
all seem to have failed to accomplish the goals set out by the office of the president.

G W went into this Iraq war with a lot of advice from a lot of proffesionals and friends.
a long time friend that had been made sec def advised G W that the war fought his way would last about 6 weeks to 3 months tops and gas would be 1 dollar a gallon when it was done and all would be paid with Iraqi oil.
look it up, thats pretty much a condensed quote.

at the end of the 3 months the friend should have been sacked.
the advice was proven bad.
its just how life is.
loyalty is a very admirable trait. it has no place in the office of the president.

so no its not G W's fault, ultimatly its his responsibility.
 

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DC is a zhit hole. Always has been and always will be.
 

QC

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Firestar said:
DC is a zhit hole

. . . that is poorly governed almost exclusively by Democrats.

PW, you're reaching too. If it wasn't so pathetic I'd be cracking up :}
 

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rodbolt said:
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which is why we should have had an outpost 50 ft inside the border every 500 yards or so and shot anyone in the zone not going through an autherized check point.
however the troop numbers to do that are again politically unpalatable.


Same thing we need to do on the US/Mexican border.

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bad crunch, bad crunch.
 

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CJY said:
Firestar,

d:)d:)d:)

QC,

I will tell you what I find troubling. I find it troubling that we have a President trying to clean up an entire country while he cannot clean up the Capital city of the USA.

My guess, these deaths in DC are not happening in the wealthy parts of the city. I bet if they were we would be hearing about it. Not only would we be hearing about it, something would be getting done as well. And I agree, all media should be nailing this, but let's face it, how many care if 6 prostitutes, pimps and drug dealers were killed yesterday? How many would actually pay money to read this?

I get it, DC was safer under Clinton.... right?
 

QC

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LMAO at HM (Mr. Kopec), sorry about the score crunch.
 
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