The Surge Is Succeeding

OldMercsRule

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Re: The Surge Is Succeeding

CJY said:
"We went in because he had WMD's before hiding them in Iran and Syria."

Don't we have satellite images of that somewhere? And, you do understand they voted based on faulty intelligence. I forget, who was the intelligence under the control of?

[colour=blue]Hmmmmmm CJY, I guess ya forgot a convenient li'l fact or two. President W. Clinton was in charge up to 1/2001. Now the question is: #1 did ya forget? #2 did ya know? #3 do ya ever let facts or reasoning enter into your seriously crippled rants? JR[/colour] :}:}
 

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treedancer said:
"Actually Pointer I counted fourteen, but maybe I miscounted, here are a few of the better ones, plus a couple from Vice President Cheney that I found worthy.

The regime has longstanding and continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are Al Qaida terrorists inside Iraq." - George W. Bush Delivers Weekly Radio Address, White House (9/28/2002)

We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases." - President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002) –

"This is a man who has got connections with Al Qaida. Imagine a terrorist network with Iraq as an arsenal and as a training ground, so that a Saddam Hussein could use this shadowy group of people to attack his enemy and leave no fingerprint behind. He's a threat." - Remarks by the President in Texas Welcome, White House (11/4/2002)

He's a threat because he is dealing with Al Qaida. In my Cincinnati speech I reminded the American people, a true threat facing our country is that an Al Qaida-type network trained and armed by Saddam could attack America and leave not one fingerprint." - President Outlines Priorities, White House (11/7/2002)

Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help develop their own." - President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003)

"Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses, and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other planes -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known." - President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003


"The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 -- and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men -- the shock troops of a hateful ideology -- gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the 'beginning of the end of America.' By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed." - President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended, White House (5/1/2003

Heres a couple from Vice President Cheney to kinda round things out

"In Afghanistan we found confirmation that bin Laden and the al-Qaeda network were seriously interested in nuclear and radiological weapons, and in biological and chemical agents. We are especially concerned about any possible linkup between terrorists and regimes that have or seek weapons of mass destruction." - Vice President Delivers Remarks to the National Academy of Home Builders, White House (6/6/2002)

While were on Vice President Cheney, this is one of my favorites

Monday, June 20, 2005; Posted: 12:19 p.m. EDT (16:19 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The insurgency in Iraq is "in the last throes," Vice President **** Cheney says, and he predicts that the fighting will end before the Bush administration leaves office.

Like I stated I hope this surge succeeds, it will have no bearing on the election, I truly believe that the majority of the Democrats hope the surge succeeds also. It will not be much of campaigns issue either way on the Democratic side, there so much more ammunition available to them, starting with the reason for going into Iraq in the first place. I know that Peloise said that impeachment was off of the table but there are rumblings ,even from the Republican side ,soooo.

Hey Tree my man! I don't see any problems with the truthfullness of any of these statements. Could you show your poor slow bud with only one brain cell where I'm wrong here? Thanks for your concern!! Respectfully, JR
 

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Re: The Surge Is Succeeding

OldMercsRule said:
CJY said:
There you have it...Robert Kagan said it has been a success, it must be. As far as the Iraqi bloggers saying the same, what would you expect them to say? If they said it was going terribly, more screaming of a pullout would take place and they don't want that. As long as American's are shedding blood for them while they are not, life is good for them.

I recall W announcing to the world the war in Iraq was a success when the statue of Hussein fell, then a similar announcement when the purple fingers of freedom rose up and took back their country. Both, very far from the truth.

Truth CJY? Me thinks ya wouldn't or couldn't see it if it hit ya in the face! JR

Hmmm, I see....you dispute my "facts" with hot air. Show me some facts contrary to what I have said.
 

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OldMercsRule said:
CJY said:
"We went in because he had WMD's before hiding them in Iran and Syria."

Don't we have satellite images of that somewhere? And, you do understand they voted based on faulty intelligence. I forget, who was the intelligence under the control of?

[colour=blue]Hmmmmmm CJY, I guess ya forgot a convenient li'l fact or two. President W. Clinton was in charge up to 1/2001. Now the question is: #1 did ya forget? #2 did ya know? #3 do ya ever let facts or reasoning enter into your seriously crippled rants? JR[/colour] :}:}

Rants? No rants here. I still don't remember who was in control in March of 2003. You know, a few years after Clinton exited office. Are you telling me this administration operated and attacked Iraq under intelligence supplied years earlier during another administration?

Before I can answer your final question, please show me the relevance first. Remember, we attacked in March of 2003....more than two full years after Clinton exited the WH.
 

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Re: The Surge Is Succeeding

CJY said:
"We went in because he had WMD's before hiding them in Iran and Syria."

Don't we have satellite images of that somewhere? And, you do understand they voted based on faulty intelligence. I forget, who was the intelligence under the control of?

Just a though, perhap's we do. But if we did have such picture's what would we have to do about it. One would think go in and get them @ any cost? If made public we would or really have egg on our face think about it. Going to war with Iraq but not Syria.........How could one spin that...:'(


That would have us at war with both Iraq and Syria and god know's who else. We i believe anyway are facing a very hostile situation in the middle east, were just taking baby step's...........perhap's a war of attrition.

Remeber we all are creature's of habit, and Saddam had a survialist mentaltiy aka flying his plane's to Iran during the first war and leaving bridge's up so he could go in after the war was over and cool off any rebellion. It is not beyond reason that he ditched his or any WMD's into another counrty at all.

Just a opinion your mileage may vary........
 

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Plainsman said:
CJY said:
Plainsman said:
CJY said:
"We went in because he had WMD's before hiding them in Iran and Syria."

Don't we have satellite images of that somewhere? And, you do understand they voted based on faulty intelligence. I forget, who was the intelligence under the control of?

You know even if there were photos of it, some would just call them "doctored" and not real, so why even bother?
I have given up typing the same crud all the time, some will nevevr see the truth if it was in front of them.

How true! Some of you remain on a very small island. I believe W has said the intelligence was false as well. He has even stepped up and verbally accepted responsiblity for it.

You are not allowed to refer to Pesident Bush as "W" anymore by order of the mods. Just thought I'd let ya know.

Come on now Eric. I know the temptation here, but please resist it. That said: we all, (or at least most of us have very comfortable undies). Please let CJY call anybody what he wants. Hey CJY you can call me PUKE or anything else ya can think of if you wanna! Comming from you I for one: would cornsider it an honor. JR
 

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Quote Omer

Hey Tree my man! I don't see any problems with the truthfullness of any of these statements. Could you show your poor slow bud with only one brain cell where I'm wrong here? Thanks for your concern!! Respectfully, JR



You’re the one that seems to think that all is well with them statements,so right back atcha show me where the truth is in them?

Please show me the link between Saddam and Al Qaida ?

The link shows that Iraq and Al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decades where they at ?

Show me what proof you have that Saddam has got connections with Al Qaida?

What proof do you have that Saddam was even indirectly dealing with Al Qaida


Where did you get this information that you can believe everything from, including the fact that al Qaeda, can with Saddams help could provide one of his hidden weapons,of WMD .

<<But chemical agents, lethal viruses, and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other planes -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein. Of course you bought this scare tactic and unfortunately it looks like you still are buying it.

Can you show me any tie between Iraq and September the 11, 2001?

Now were down to Vice President Cheney’s part.

It looks like he is concerned about any links between al Qauda and WMD. He was making the suggested link between Saddam and WMD and no links have been found ,sorry.

And of course I will be glad to leave you with Vice President Cheney’s quote that you believe in so much .

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The insurgency in Iraq is "in the last throes," Vice President **** Cheney says, and he predicts that the fighting will end before the Bush administration leaves office.
 

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CJY said:
OldMercsRule said:
CJY said:
"We went in because he had WMD's before hiding them in Iran and Syria."

Don't we have satellite images of that somewhere? And, you do understand they voted based on faulty intelligence. I forget, who was the intelligence under the control of?

[colour=blue]Hmmmmmm CJY, I guess ya forgot a convenient li'l fact or two. President W. Clinton was in charge up to 1/2001. Now the question is: #1 did ya forget? #2 did ya know? #3 do ya ever let facts or reasoning enter into your seriously crippled rants? JR[/colour] :}:}

Rants? No rants here. I still don't remember who was in control in March of 2003. You know, a few years after Clinton exited office. Are you telling me this administration operated and attacked Iraq under intelligence supplied years earlier during another administration?

[colour=green]Why yes CJY. The way I understand things is that intelligence is aquired over many years with intelligence assets that have been put in place over decades. That said: I will be the first to admit that me Bro Haut thinks I only have one brain cell. That could account for my problems: CJY![/colour]

Before I can answer your final question, please show me the relevance first. Remember, we attacked in March of 2003....more than two full years after Clinton exited the WH.
 

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Re: The Surge Is Succeeding

OldMercsRule said:
Plainsman said:
CJY said:
Plainsman said:
CJY said:
"We went in because he had WMD's before hiding them in Iran and Syria."

Don't we have satellite images of that somewhere? And, you do understand they voted based on faulty intelligence. I forget, who was the intelligence under the control of?

You know even if there were photos of it, some would just call them "doctored" and not real, so why even bother?
I have given up typing the same crud all the time, some will nevevr see the truth if it was in front of them.

How true! Some of you remain on a very small island. I believe W has said the intelligence was false as well. He has even stepped up and verbally accepted responsiblity for it.

You are not allowed to refer to Pesident Bush as "W" anymore by order of the mods. Just thought I'd let ya know.

Come on now Eric. I know the temptation here, but please resist it. That said: we all, (or at least most of us have very comfortable undies). Please let CJY call anybody what he wants. Hey CJY you can call me PUKE or anything else ya can think of if you wanna! Comming from you I for one: would cornsider it an honor. JR


OMR, it would appear you are harboring a bit of resentment, a bit of anger for past posts. My "undies" are as they have always been, just fine.

I don't understand why you do not just come out and state your problem. There is a huge difference in addressing a person by something they themselves have created, such as "W" compared to calling a person something that has a great historical context of anger, hate and oppression.

The letter "W" has no historical context of hate, anger, or oppression. So go ahead, don't hold back, explain how you compare the two situations.
 

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I thought this was about the current plan makeing progress ?


Not hacking out things that can not be changed ?


Tommays
 

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treedancer said:
Quote Omer

Hey Tree my man! I don't see any problems with the truthfullness of any of these statements. Could you show your poor slow bud with only one brain cell where I'm wrong here? Thanks for your concern!! Respectfully, JR



You’re the one that seems to think that all is well with them statements,so right back atcha show me where the truth is in them?

Please show me the link between Saddam and Al Qaida ?

[colour=blue]Maybe you have heard of Abu Musub al-Zarqawi?[/colour]

The link shows that Iraq and Al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decades where they at ?

[colour=blue]See above Mr. Tree. Before that minor li'l figure you may have heard about another: Mr. Tree, Abu Nadal. I know; I know: he predates Al Qaeda, SO WHAT, that makes him a good guy that we like ol' Sadam to snuggle up to?[/colour]

Show me what proof you have that Saddam has got connections with Al Qaida?

What proof do you have that Saddam was even indirectly dealing with Al Qaida

[colour=blue]Ya know Mr. Tree legalistic arguments like: "beyond a reasonable doubt" may work for the ACLU in front of Liberal Judges (and PW2 about the fact the Bill Clinton admitted to perjury and obstruction of justice, "but was never convicted" :}:}). That said: Saddam openly used WMDs against his own people and neighbors, had a 727 fuseloge near Bagdad (just for practice), and paid homicide bombers' families $25,000 for sucessfully killing school childern, (and that's just a few things not the entire list). Saddam was a master at miss direction and poorly thought out strategies, if you think that we need to get Liberal Europe's and the ACLU's permission before we can do anything to recognize an obvious threat and act, then I don't know what to say to you Mr Tree.[/colour]


Where did you get this information that you can believe everything from, including the fact that al Qaeda, can with Saddams help could provide one of his hidden weapons,of WMD .

<<But chemical agents, lethal viruses, and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other planes -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein. Of course you bought this scare tactic and unfortunately it looks like you still are buying it.

Can you show me any tie between Iraq and September the 11, 2001?

[colour=blue]Not direct tie: NO. This is a world wide conflict Mr. Tree. The North Koreans coordinate with the rest of our enemies. Iraq was very much envolved in the 1993 WTC bombing, (and our President chose Janet Reno to prosecute the matter). Let's just hope ol' Hillary doesn't appoint her to get after you me n' Eric protecting our old motors out on RR island. 8)8) Can't prove that beyond a reasonable doubt to the ACLU but the ol' brain cell can still engage in critical thinking n' add 2 + 2 = 4![/colour]

Now were down to Vice President Cheney’s part.

It looks like he is concerned about any links between al Qauda and WMD. He was making the suggested link between Saddam and WMD and no links have been found ,sorry.

And of course I will be glad to leave you with Vice President Cheney’s quote that you believe in so much .

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The insurgency in Iraq is "in the last throes," Vice President **** Cheney says, and he predicts that the fighting will end before the Bush administration leaves office.

[colour=blue]Hope he is right, and I bet you do to. It's called positive thinking: Tree! [/colour]
 

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Re: The Surge Is Succeeding

CJY said:
OldMercsRule said:
Plainsman said:
CJY said:
Plainsman said:
CJY said:
"We went in because he had WMD's before hiding them in Iran and Syria."

Don't we have satellite images of that somewhere? And, you do understand they voted based on faulty intelligence. I forget, who was the intelligence under the control of?

You know even if there were photos of it, some would just call them "doctored" and not real, so why even bother?
I have given up typing the same crud all the time, some will nevevr see the truth if it was in front of them.

How true! Some of you remain on a very small island. I believe W has said the intelligence was false as well. He has even stepped up and verbally accepted responsiblity for it.

You are not allowed to refer to Pesident Bush as "W" anymore by order of the mods. Just thought I'd let ya know.

Come on now Eric. I know the temptation here, but please resist it. That said: we all, (or at least most of us have very comfortable undies). Please let CJY call anybody what he wants. Hey CJY you can call me PUKE or anything else ya can think of if you wanna! Comming from you I for one: would cornsider it an honor. JR


OMR, it would appear you are harboring a bit of resentment, a bit of anger for past posts.

[colour=blue]Not at all CJY. Please read my words as stated, you can't read my mind![/colour]

My "undies" are as they have always been, just fine.

[colour=blue]You seem extremely sensative to me, (maybe just me).[/colour]

I don't understand why you do not just come out and state your problem.

[colour=blue]I just did.[/colour]

There is a huge difference in addressing a person by something they themselves have created, such as "W" compared to calling a person something that has a great historical context of anger, hate and oppression.

[colour=blue]Easy ta get yer FEELIN'S hurt CJY? If it were up ta me you could call President Bush anything you wish. I already said you could call me anything ya wish. How 'bout RACIST? That's OK with me too. It my not be OK with the LAND LORD here CJY. That's all NOTHING MORE OR LESS CJY![/colour]

The letter "W" has no historical context of hate, anger, or oppression. So go ahead, don't hold back, explain how you compare the two situations.

[colour=blue]No comparison at all, or necessary: CJY. I will say it as plain as I can: "STICKS AND STONES CAN BREAK MY BONES BUT WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME". I actually believe it too! Nothing you can say to me will hurt me in any way shape or form! JR[/colour]
 

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Re: The Surge Is Succeeding

OldMercsRule said:
CJY said:
OldMercsRule said:
Plainsman said:
CJY said:
Plainsman said:
CJY said:
"We went in because he had WMD's before hiding them in Iran and Syria."


Don't we have satellite images of that somewhere? And, you do understand they voted based on faulty intelligence. I forget, who was the intelligence under the control of?

You know even if there were photos of it, some would just call them "doctored" and not real, so why even bother?
I have given up typing the same crud all the time, some will nevevr see the truth if it was in front of them.

How true! Some of you remain on a very small island. I believe W has said the intelligence was false as well. He has even stepped up and verbally accepted responsiblity for it.

You are not allowed to refer to Pesident Bush as "W" anymore by order of the mods. Just thought I'd let ya know.

Come on now Eric. I know the temptation here, but please resist it. That said: we all, (or at least most of us have very comfortable undies). Please let CJY call anybody what he wants. Hey CJY you can call me PUKE or anything else ya can think of if you wanna! Comming from you I for one: would cornsider it an honor. JR


OMR, it would appear you are harboring a bit of resentment, a bit of anger for past posts.

[colour=blue]Not at all CJY. Please read my words as stated, you can't read my mind![/colour]

My "undies" are as they have always been, just fine.

[colour=blue]You seem extremely sensative to me, (maybe just me).[/colour]

I don't understand why you do not just come out and state your problem.

[colour=blue]I just did.[/colour]

There is a huge difference in addressing a person by something they themselves have created, such as "W" compared to calling a person something that has a great historical context of anger, hate and oppression.

[colour=blue]Easy ta get yer FEELIN'S hurt CJY? If it were up ta me you could call President Bush anything you wish. I already said you could call me anything ya wish. How 'bout RACIST? That's OK with me too. It my not be OK with the LAND LORD here CJY. That's all NOTHING MORE OR LESS CJY![/colour]

The letter "W" has no historical context of hate, anger, or oppression. So go ahead, don't hold back, explain how you compare the two situations.

[colour=blue]No comparison at all, or necessary: CJY. I will say it as plain as I can: "STICKS AND STONES CAN BREAK MY BONES BUT WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME". I actually believe it too! Nothing you can say to me will hurt me in any way shape or form! JR[/colour]


I just like the format of the quote boxes.
 

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Re: The Surge Is Succeeding

alden135 said:
OldMercsRule said:
CJY said:
OldMercsRule said:
Plainsman said:
CJY said:
Plainsman said:
CJY said:
"We went in because he had WMD's before hiding them in Iran and Syria."


Don't we have satellite images of that somewhere? And, you do understand they voted based on faulty intelligence. I forget, who was the intelligence under the control of?

You know even if there were photos of it, some would just call them "doctored" and not real, so why even bother?
I have given up typing the same crud all the time, some will nevevr see the truth if it was in front of them.

How true! Some of you remain on a very small island. I believe W has said the intelligence was false as well. He has even stepped up and verbally accepted responsiblity for it.

You are not allowed to refer to Pesident Bush as "W" anymore by order of the mods. Just thought I'd let ya know.

Come on now Eric. I know the temptation here, but please resist it. That said: we all, (or at least most of us have very comfortable undies). Please let CJY call anybody what he wants. Hey CJY you can call me PUKE or anything else ya can think of if you wanna! Comming from you I for one: would cornsider it an honor. JR


OMR, it would appear you are harboring a bit of resentment, a bit of anger for past posts.

[colour=blue]Not at all CJY. Please read my words as stated, you can't read my mind![/colour]

My "undies" are as they have always been, just fine.

[colour=blue]You seem extremely sensative to me, (maybe just me).[/colour]

I don't understand why you do not just come out and state your problem.

[colour=blue]I just did.[/colour]

There is a huge difference in addressing a person by something they themselves have created, such as "W" compared to calling a person something that has a great historical context of anger, hate and oppression.

[colour=blue]Easy ta get yer FEELIN'S hurt CJY? If it were up ta me you could call President Bush anything you wish. I already said you could call me anything ya wish. How 'bout RACIST? That's OK with me too. It my not be OK with the LAND LORD here CJY. That's all NOTHING MORE OR LESS CJY![/colour]

The letter "W" has no historical context of hate, anger, or oppression. So go ahead, don't hold back, explain how you compare the two situations.

[colour=blue]No comparison at all, or necessary: CJY. I will say it as plain as I can: "STICKS AND STONES CAN BREAK MY BONES BUT WORDS WILL NEVER HURT ME". I actually believe it too! Nothing you can say to me will hurt me in any way shape or form! JR[/colour]


I just like the format of the quote boxes.

Pretty Kool eh Alden?
 
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