The Surge Is Succeeding

Haut Medoc

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treedancer said:
Killing a tribe or two? Come on..........

Look what happened when we abused underwear.



?.......?:%

I think he is referring to placing underwear on the heads on those who wear cloth on their heads......:)
;)
 

OldMercsRule

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Haut said:
Murky, according to a recent ruling you are allowed to call non DC members names.....;)
So, you can call John, "That Puke".......
If you so desire.......;):)

No I asked JB, and he said I couldn't call pols the names I like ta use, so I'm respectfull to them too now. It hurts me, Bro! But I do what I have ta do ya know! JR 8)8)
 

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Haut said:
:$ Is nothing sacred?:'(

It will still be great sport me Bro! You still know when I say J. Kerry what I mean, and we all know how you and WbW feel about Pres. Bush! Although Willy maybe gettin' a bit wobbly on ya. he was real impressed with Mr. Bush re: the wounded troops n' all. JR 8)
 

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There you have it...Robert Kagan said it has been a success, it must be. As far as the Iraqi bloggers saying the same, what would you expect them to say? If they said it was going terribly, more screaming of a pullout would take place and they don't want that. As long as American's are shedding blood for them while they are not, life is good for them.

I recall W announcing to the world the war in Iraq was a success when the statue of Hussein fell, then a similar announcement when the purple fingers of freedom rose up and took back their country. Both, very far from the truth.
 

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Less we forget the purpose of going into Iraq in the first place was WMD. Let the Republics go around and beat on there chest and proclaim victory with this surge, and I hope it is a success, but in the end the next Election will not be about the success of this surge, but will be about why we went into Iraq in the first place. It is being played out in the courts and in the House as we speak.
 

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Tree, a little rewriting of history? I believe your President outlined no less than 9 reasons for going into Iraq. Why not point those out as well? Seems you are making an point balanced on a factual inaccuracy.
 

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treedancer said:
Less we forget the purpose of going into Iraq in the first place was WMD. Let the Republics go around and beat on there chest and proclaim victory with this surge, and I hope it is a success, but in the end the next Election will not be about the success of this surge, but will be about why we went into Iraq in the first place.

Stop acting like Bush made this stuff up. Here are a few quotes from some of your liberal buddies:

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003 | Source

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002 | Source

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998 | Source

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998 | Source

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998 | Source

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998 | Source

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998 | Source

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 | Source

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999 | Source

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002 | Source

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 | Source

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002 | Source

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002 | Source

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 | Source

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 | Source
 

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"We went in because he had WMD's before hiding them in Iran and Syria."

Don't we have satellite images of that somewhere? And, you do understand they voted based on faulty intelligence. I forget, who was the intelligence under the control of?
 

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CJY said:
"We went in because he had WMD's before hiding them in Iran and Syria."

Don't we have satellite images of that somewhere? And, you do understand they voted based on faulty intelligence. I forget, who was the intelligence under the control of?

You know even if there were photos of it, some would just call them "doctored" and not real, so why even bother?
I have given up typing the same crud all the time, some will nevevr see the truth if it was in front of them.
 

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Plainsman said:
CJY said:
"We went in because he had WMD's before hiding them in Iran and Syria."

Don't we have satellite images of that somewhere? And, you do understand they voted based on faulty intelligence. I forget, who was the intelligence under the control of?

You know even if there were photos of it, some would just call them "doctored" and not real, so why even bother?
I have given up typing the same crud all the time, some will nevevr see the truth if it was in front of them.

How true! Some of you remain on a very small island. I believe W has said the intelligence was false as well. He has even stepped up and verbally accepted responsiblity for it.
 

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"Actually Pointer I counted fourteen, but maybe I miscounted, here are a few of the better ones, plus a couple from Vice President Cheney that I found worthy.

The regime has longstanding and continuing ties to terrorist groups, and there are Al Qaida terrorists inside Iraq." - George W. Bush Delivers Weekly Radio Address, White House (9/28/2002)

We know that Iraq and al Qaeda have had high-level contacts that go back a decade. Some al Qaeda leaders who fled Afghanistan went to Iraq. These include one very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year, and who has been associated with planning for chemical and biological attacks. We've learned that Iraq has trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and poisons and deadly gases." - President Bush Outlines Iraqi Threat; Remarks by the President on Iraq, White House (10/7/2002) –

"This is a man who has got connections with Al Qaida. Imagine a terrorist network with Iraq as an arsenal and as a training ground, so that a Saddam Hussein could use this shadowy group of people to attack his enemy and leave no fingerprint behind. He's a threat." - Remarks by the President in Texas Welcome, White House (11/4/2002)

He's a threat because he is dealing with Al Qaida. In my Cincinnati speech I reminded the American people, a true threat facing our country is that an Al Qaida-type network trained and armed by Saddam could attack America and leave not one fingerprint." - President Outlines Priorities, White House (11/7/2002)

Evidence from intelligence sources, secret communications, and statements by people now in custody reveal that Saddam Hussein aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. Secretly, and without fingerprints, he could provide one of his hidden weapons to terrorists, or help develop their own." - President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003)

"Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that Saddam Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses, and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other planes -- this time armed by Saddam Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known." - President Delivers "State of the Union", White House (1/28/2003


"The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11, 2001 -- and still goes on. That terrible morning, 19 evil men -- the shock troops of a hateful ideology -- gave America and the civilized world a glimpse of their ambitions. They imagined, in the words of one terrorist, that September the 11th would be the 'beginning of the end of America.' By seeking to turn our cities into killing fields, terrorists and their allies believed that they could destroy this nation's resolve, and force our retreat from the world. They have failed." - President Bush Announces Major Combat Operations in Iraq Have Ended, White House (5/1/2003

Heres a couple from Vice President Cheney to kinda round things out

"In Afghanistan we found confirmation that bin Laden and the al-Qaeda network were seriously interested in nuclear and radiological weapons, and in biological and chemical agents. We are especially concerned about any possible linkup between terrorists and regimes that have or seek weapons of mass destruction." - Vice President Delivers Remarks to the National Academy of Home Builders, White House (6/6/2002)

While were on Vice President Cheney, this is one of my favorites

Monday, June 20, 2005; Posted: 12:19 p.m. EDT (16:19 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The insurgency in Iraq is "in the last throes," Vice President **** Cheney says, and he predicts that the fighting will end before the Bush administration leaves office.

Like I stated I hope this surge succeeds, it will have no bearing on the election, I truly believe that the majority of the Democrats hope the surge succeeds also. It will not be much of campaigns issue either way on the Democratic side, there so much more ammunition available to them, starting with the reason for going into Iraq in the first place. I know that Peloise said that impeachment was off of the table but there are rumblings ,even from the Republican side ,soooo.
 

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CJY said:
Plainsman said:
CJY said:
"We went in because he had WMD's before hiding them in Iran and Syria."

Don't we have satellite images of that somewhere? And, you do understand they voted based on faulty intelligence. I forget, who was the intelligence under the control of?

You know even if there were photos of it, some would just call them "doctored" and not real, so why even bother?
I have given up typing the same crud all the time, some will nevevr see the truth if it was in front of them.

How true! Some of you remain on a very small island. I believe W has said the intelligence was false as well. He has even stepped up and verbally accepted responsiblity for it.

You are not allowed to refer to Pesident Bush as "W" anymore by order of the mods. Just thought I'd let ya know.
 

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Just to let ya know, he refers to himself as that. Have you ever seen the "W in 04" campaign bumper stickers? BTW, he approved them!

Excellent response though. Just thought I'd let ya know.
 

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Tell me Plainsman, where is the libel, the slander, in "W"? It is the initial of his middle name...is it not?
 

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Ask a mod, I don't make the rules.
Oh and by the way:
"But something interesting is happening on the way to the "new direction." Early indications are that the troop surge into Baghdad is working. It hasn't been reported on widely, but murders in Baghdad are down 70%, attacks are down 80%, Mahdi Army chief Moqtada al-Sadr has reportedly made off for Iran, and many Baghdadis who had fled the violence now feel it's safe enough to return. The strategy that Congress is busy denouncing is proving to be our best hope for victory."

Of course the MSM isn't reporting it, it's good news and they can't report that.
 

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Eric, you failed to mention that some whiney, politically correct, moron is in fact responsible for the gutting of American ideals, free speech & critical & free thinking on DC....
This person shall remain nameless...
The damage is done.....;)
Am I allowed to shout, 'Jackass'!
As long as it is not directed at any one source? :)
 

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rolmops said:
Gentlemen,you still have not learned much about the Bedouin Arab mindset.Remember how easy it was in the war?We came in great force. There was hardly any resistance and it seemed a great success. We all know what this success turned into and it was not because of "liberals",but because the Bedouin are extremely efficient underground fighters who know when to fight and when to lay low.
Once the troop level goes down again,as it surely will,they will come back out of the woodwork and pick up where they left off.
If you read the article carefully,you will see that all the leaders fled and they did not get caught and they were not killed.

[colour=green]Ya know Rolmops you are spot on but it is not just the Arabs who know that it isn't fun to be at the top of the US Military's list. Our Communist enimies also coordinated their policies very effectively with their American allies as well. Why do you think John F Kerry is a major player in the VC museum? There are a sizable number of well funded far left wingers who have recently dominated one of America's great political parties. Guess which one? The Arab extreme members of the religion o' peace just look to their American collaborators for signals as to what to do, (that is why they sound the same: when they make public statements).[/colour] colour on this part courtesy of: you know who!

If we really want to win there, it will take some crude measures such as the wholesale killing of a tribe or 2 ,because that changes reality.

[colour=blue]I wish you were wrong, but you again maybe spot on![/colour]

The reason why the Iraqi government deliberately dragged its feet for almost 2 weeks in starting the surge operation was mostly so the fighters would have time to hide their weapons and move out of the way.

[colour=blue]I hope you are wrong here![/colour]

These people love fighting each other,but they will unite to get the foreigners out.Once the foreigners are gone they will go back to fighting each other.

[colour=blue]You do know history my friend![/colour]

Please do not be so naive as to think that this Surge changed reality,it just slowed it down a bit.

[colour=blue]If the enemies within would stop the back stabin' and get aboard our, (all of our), very noble mission. They could divert their energy to start protesting our presence in the Balkins where we have very limited American interest, (and no UN approval AT ALL), rather then Iraq where the American and world interest is hard to dispute, (even if ya only have one brain cell).[/colour]

Sorry Rolmops didn't think grey would work very well, n' I tend ta see things in two colors: BLACK n' WHITE! Respectfully, JR
 

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CJY said:
There you have it...Robert Kagan said it has been a success, it must be. As far as the Iraqi bloggers saying the same, what would you expect them to say? If they said it was going terribly, more screaming of a pullout would take place and they don't want that. As long as American's are shedding blood for them while they are not, life is good for them.

I recall W announcing to the world the war in Iraq was a success when the statue of Hussein fell, then a similar announcement when the purple fingers of freedom rose up and took back their country. Both, very far from the truth.

Truth CJY? Me thinks ya wouldn't or couldn't see it if it hit ya in the face! JR
 
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