1963 merc 850 to merc 1000 conversion

Doug Redinger

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I know I read a post on this forum from an old-time merc guru who converted an old inline-6 merc 850 to a merc 1000 by changing carbs and changing the exhaust baffle. If anyone has any words of wisdom on this conversion I would love to hear it.
 

Scaaty

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Re: 1963 merc 850 to merc 1000 conversion

Not sure on your project here, but there is SO MUCH involved, that it needs a Merc guru to figure out. And I'm talking one with YEARS of experience. There is a lot of difference in the exhaust/tuner plates, MAYBE, but I don't know for sure. I'm getting a motor built now (fact, up and running now), but this guy knows his stuff and been at it for 40 years. And it ain't free to me, so don't ask me to ask him. He has probably 40 motors and can show me the diff on all. Heres just what was done to my motor (and this aint even all of it)..

"The powerhead I am building for you was originally a '72 1150.

The '72 1150 is a choked down 1350 with a few flow restrictions to give the lower HP rating so Merc wouldn't have to come up with a different powerhead to fill that HP range for the consumer market.

Initially this 1150 needed a rebuild because the inner water jacket had cracked and let water into #3 which was trying to die when I rescued the beast. It still had 95 psi on #3, but the rings had started to seize and consequently had scored the bore.
I had #3 bored .015 and installed a new piston there.

I had all holes pro-honed while I was at it and mic'd for roundness, etc to insure the beast was still within factory tolerences.

The block surfaces were machined too to insure everything was flat in the water jacket areas for a correct sealing.

All other pistons were carefully inspected, mic'd, & cleaned. I replaced one standard size piston too, but (4) of the (6) original pistons went back into their original holes.

Everybody got brand new rings & needle bearings.

The crankshaft got new main bearings.

The end caps got new seals & so did the crankcase.

I installed 1500 reed blocks and reeds, which meausre out the same as the original 1350 reeds.

I am installing '73 1400 carburetors - which are virtually identical to the original 1350 carbs & I am installing the original .0785main jets required for the 1350 at sea level. (now we have decided on .080 jets)

The exhaust tuner plate and inner water jacket are both NOS 1350 parts that I had machined to insure they too are flat so they will seal correctly.

These modifications: Main jets, reed blocks, tuner & inner wj complete the conversion of the 1150 to a true 1350.

The only difference between the 1350 and the 1400 blocks is the 1350 had an oval tuner to the mid-section and the 1400 had the dual square port tuner to the mid-section. And,...The inner wj & tuner plate configuration changed barely.
 

emckelvy

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Re: 1963 merc 850 to merc 1000 conversion

I know I read a post on this forum from an old-time merc guru who converted an old inline-6 merc 850 to a merc 1000 by changing carbs and changing the exhaust baffle. If anyone has any words of wisdom on this conversion I would love to hear it.

That's exactly what you do. The 850's internals are identical to the 1000's.

I did this to an old 850-6 Many Moons ago and on a 14' Fiberform runabout it ran like its hair was on fire!!

The carbs will make the most drastic difference since their throats are not 'swaged' down in the middle like the 850's.

The early 850's, as I recall, had just a flat stainless plate for inner 'baffle', whereas the 1000's had a 'sculpted' aluminum baffle which I expect improved exhaust tuning considerably.

You might check your motor to see what kind of baffle it has, if already aluminum you may not even need to change it.

You'll definitely know the diff, the stainless plate is much thinner than the aluminum baffle and it's clearly visible externally which is which.

If you have access to the 1000 carbs just slap them on, Link 'n Sync and see how she runs. Think you'll be surprised.

With the correct baffle installed, she'll run even stronger.

HTH & have fun!.............ed
 

Doug Redinger

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Re: 1963 merc 850 to merc 1000 conversion

Thanks guys for the great information. I rebuilt the powerhead a year ago and I believe my 850 had a stainless steel baffle plate in the exhaust. She has a good 140+ pounds of compression on all 6 cylinders, and that is at 4000 ft elevation. Was hoping to squeeze a little more power and speed out of the old girl. All and all she runs great and makes a great little ski and fishing boat. Classic 1963 Glasspar fiberglass runabout.
 

jimmbo

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Re: 1963 merc 850 to merc 1000 conversion

Scatty, you said you were using carbs off a 1973 1400?
 

Scaaty

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Re: 1963 merc 850 to merc 1000 conversion

Scatty, you said you were using carbs off a 1973 1400?

Those could be a 72..we were through this already in another post..ya slap a key with old tired eyes, and fat fingers also could be a key off. I'm not the builder, but he knows what he's doing..(and called Ed here a Master so listen to him!..ED, I was hoping ya would show up here to save the day!!...can ya make it stop raining too? "T"'s Merc for me has been fired and purred like a "TIGER"..still needs some fuel delivery issues..think a pump body is cracked..a pic..click for a larger view..Robby in Oly)
 

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Doug Redinger

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Re: 1963 merc 850 to merc 1000 conversion

Does anyone know if carbs from any other higher horsepower motors will also work and give the same benefit as the carbs from a merc 1000. In other words will carbs from a merc 1100 or 1150 or 1250 also work in this application. It might make finding parts easier than trying to find a specific carb from a specific year merc 1000. Parts availability on the old merc 1000's is getting very limited.
 

Scaaty

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Re: 1963 merc 850 to merc 1000 conversion

They were 1972, the 1400 was a one year only.

Arne Kjetil

Thanks, thats what thought. I will change in original notes of mine.
 

Scaaty

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Re: 1963 merc 850 to merc 1000 conversion

Does anyone know if carbs from any other higher horsepower motors will also work and give the same benefit as the carbs from a merc 1000. In other words will carbs from a merc 1100 or 1150 or 1250 also work in this application. It might make finding parts easier than trying to find a specific carb from a specific year merc 1000. Parts availability on the old merc 1000's is getting very limited.

Probably easy to compare..check the bore size and watch the jetting. Look for part numbers on the carbs too maybe off one of the old merc sites.
 

Clams Canino

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Re: 1963 merc 850 to merc 1000 conversion

Only possibility other than the 1000 carbs is the 950 carbs (same as 1000) or MAYBE 1100 carbs. 1000 or 950 is best bet.

-W
 

Doug Redinger

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Re: 1963 merc 850 to merc 1000 conversion

Completed the conversion several weeks ago, and wow what a difference it made. I converted both the carbs and the exhaust baffle plate. It gave me a good 400 rpm increase on top end. I noticed that the 850 and 1000 use the same reed block, however the 1000 has a different part # for the actual reeds.

Thanks to all for the great advice. This was a simple bolt on conversion that was a lot of fun.
 
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