Drying out a boat and motor

jdlloyd_iboat

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I had just replaced the water pump and lube and was all ready for fishing when the east coast's Nor'easter drove water over my transom last evening and sank my Winner with 150 HP Evinrude! I have called my insurance company but would like to know my options based on experience with drying out this mess. The boat is still resting on or near the bottom and the top of the engine cover is the only visible part of the motor above water. I have heard these can be recovered if dried out quickly after removing the boat from the water. I have two batteries submerged (one a gel cell and the other a deep discharge lead acid. I have two ten gallon fuel cells submerged. One was filled with gas and the other empty. I have one oil resevoir half filled with oil submerged. I have not seen the boat myself. My neighbor called me with the bad news. I certainly hope there is not much environmental damage happening while the adjuster helps to assess my situation. If I can refloat the boat (in 40 degree water; sounds like some real fun) what should I do and how quickly? Does the engine need to be disassembled to get the water out. What is the prognosis for my batteries and how do I dry out the fuel cells? I guess fishing will be a while yet!

I hope this is the best place for this post and thanks for any advice on this situation.
 

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Re: Drying out a boat and motor

Well it can be done..... Insurance would be good....

Post the engine questions in the evinrude forum.... I assume you are talking about salt water. ALL YOUR WIRES ARE TOAST. Your engine will have to be stripped down and cleaned. We are not talking an easy job.

The boat .... let it drain. Keep it dry. I would suspect your foam is soaked and you might have a even bigger job ahead..... replacing foam or just stripping it out.

Get someone or something to hook a rope to the boat and start your recovery. Use inner tubes and a compressor to float it up and then pump it dry.
 

jdlloyd_iboat

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Re: Drying out a boat and motor

Bob_VT,

Thanks for the response. No, it is not salt water. It's clean fresh lake water like the stuff you have in Lake Bomoseen. I suspect the advice is the same except the wires might be better off. It's a good motor and I'd really like to save it. (BTW I was born and raised in Whitehall, NY and spent many days swimming at Lake Bomoseen in the summer.)

Jim
 

drewpster

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Wow, What a bummer. I really hope you had insurance that covered this kind of damage. I do not have direct experience with your boat or engine. However the boats that I have seen that have been sunk have all needed major refits. I hope yours will fair better. Good Luck.
 

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I had bought an aluminum bass boat that had sunk with it's 35 HP motor about ten years ago, it sunk in a bad storm on a lake in about 4' of water with little to no flotation. It got swamped and was hovering just off the bottom when we go to it. The owner had pretty much said I could have it if I could move it. Being a smaller boat, I simply attached several large dock pontoons to it and towed it to the nearest ramp, I tilted the motor, drug it onto the soft beach area and pulled the plug, it had a tilt trailer and we loaded it easily from the beach.
I pulled the plugs on the spot, hand cranked the motor until the cylinders were all clear, soaked them all with WD40, I did the same with the carbs, I disonected the tank and later disposed of the water fuel mix. Once I got it home, I pulled the carbs, changed the lower end lube sprayed it well with more WD and gave it a try, it started near instantly. I ran it a while and all was well, I used it for 7 more years after that with no problems. It's still running for it's new owner, (the guy that helped me pull it out that day).
The rest of the boat was pretty much fine other than some soaked wood floors, some wet foam that was above the floor which I tossed in favor of new foam, some new carpet and about an hour drying out the inside of the controller and steering unit. It was freshwater, so there was little to no damage as far as corrosion, since all switches were off when it sank, no electrical damage was done, the only casuallty was the battery that never really recovered, but I figured that the acid had been diluted or escaped while under water.
A larger boat will mean more work, and getting to some areas may be more work, but I would certainly try simply draining it and give it some time in the sun if you can. The motor has to be gotten to imediately, once its out of the water the damage will start as soon as oxygen hits the wet parts. Lots of WD40 and fast. It may surprise you. Do not try to crank it with the starter until you are sure it's all clear of water, that means both in the plug holes and the crankase, as well as the carbs. A good shop vac can be of help too.

I had to raise an old diesel powered cabin boat years ago that sank after drifting away from the dock in a storm, it was on the bottom in about 6' of water. The motor was submerged and it had drifted into a muddy bottom area. We used the innertube trick and kept stuffing the hull and inflating them, once it was off the bottom we pulled it back across the river with a tractor to a nearby dock. Some agressive pumping and some more inner tubes got it back on top of the water. We drained the motor, pumping out all oil, removed the glow plugs, rotated the motor by hand till it turned freely, flushed the motor with cheap oil, cranked it and did another oil change and restarted the engine. being a diesel the fuel system was sealed, and only a drain off the tanks got it going. It was going to scrap anyhow, so any further damage wasn't much of a concern, it only had to make it to the hoist to get pulled from the water about 4 miles away. I was surprised at how well it ran and how well that boat handled for just being on the bottom. If the hull wasn't so badly damaged it would have been a shame to scrap it. I got involved to help a friend of a friend not get fined by the EPA for the wreck blocking the channel. Once it was pulled it was his problem. What it amounted to was that we for beer, but had use of his dock there after since he no longer had a boat tied up there.

I saved that motor but ended up giving it away to someone for parts after I got tired of storing it, but it ran fine and had good compression and oil pressure. I don't think we would have been so lucky if we had waited a day to clean and restart the engine.

It just goes to show that sometimes you get lucky. Sometimes the corrosion don't start until the air hits it, so as soon as its up, get it drained and clear of water. You may get lucky, but be super sure its clean before trying to start it, that includes opening the controller and drying it out too. The rest of the boat will depend on its construction. If it's an open boat, it may not be that bad, if not, remove and dry all that you can asap, before rot and mold set in.

Of course, if isurance says it covered, walk away and take the money, unless you have the option to buy it back real cheap. Depending on how deep the water is, a good dry suit or even chest waders may be inorder. If there's any chance you will end up keeping it, get at it fast.
 

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Re: Drying out a boat and motor

Well.... it would not sink on Bomoseen........ still iced over!
 

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Been there, done that so I feel your pain! The good news is you are in freshwater which means the rust and corrosion forms much more slowly. Don't expose the motor to the air until you have decided what action you will take and have all supplies on hand; clean water under pressure, WD-40, fresh gas, etc. I have been successful saving OB's from dunkings but you have to be ready for action and patiently address all the issues. A nice sunny day helps a lot getting things dry! Good luck and keep us posted on your project.
 

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BEFORE you pull the boat up, get a clean gas tank and fuel line, fill with 2-3 gallons of 24:1 mixed fuel. Get a spare battery, fully charged. Have tools onhand to pull spark plugs, drain carburetors, etc. Have a can of WD-40 handy.

As soon as you pull it out, get to work on the motor. Once you get it running, run it for at least an hour, preferably under load (.ie, go for a boat ride). The motor has to build up internal heat to dry itself out.

My 75hp Johnson 3-cylinder sank was sunk about 10 years ago. I had it running about 30 minutes after it broke the surface. It's logged hundreds of hours since then, so sinking your motor shouldn't hurt it if you take care of it right away...

- Scott
 

jdlloyd_iboat

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Re: Drying out a boat and motor

Thanks to everyone who have offered their experience and hints. I am especially encouraged about the notion of having it running 30 minutes after I raise it from the bottom. I might even be able to get in some fishing this week-end if I am able to do that! I am not looking forward to most likely getting into the water. It's still in the 50's around here. I guess that is a little warmer than Lake Bomoseen though. You probably had some snow on top of that ice this past week-end.

Is it necessary to remove the intake and carburetors to dry out the intake end or will hand cranking run enough water out not to bother? Is fogging oil an alternative to WD-40 or should I just use the WD-40 or equivalent? I do have a couple dry batteries and a separate 6 gallon fuel tank to use for drying out the boat once getting it started (notice my optimism).

I'll drop a note to let you know what happens;unfortunately it will be almost a week submerged before I am able to get to it.
 

ezmobee

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I'll drop a note to let you know what happens;unfortunately it will be almost a week submerged before I am able to get to it.

Well I'm sure it doesn't matter much whether it was submerged for an hour or a week.
 

Chinewalker

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Any oil is better than no oil, but WD-40 is nice because it tends to displace water. Might not have to remove carbs - just drain them by removing the jet access plugs from each carb bowl and blowing them out. Spray WD-40 into them until nothing comes out but WD-40. Hook up the fuel line and prime with FRESH fuel until nothing comes out but fuel. This will flush all water out of the fuel pump & lines. Replace the jet plugs. Use rags to mop up spilt fuel and make sure the battery is disconnected beforehand and key is OFF. No sparks allowed when flushing the fuel system!!!

Once all fuel and fumes are dispated, spin the motor with plugs out until all water is out of cylinders. Ground the plug wires so you don't get any errant sparks.

I once got an old 18-horse Evinrude running in about an hour after it had been on the bottom for 10 months, so a week won't bother it a bit...

Having fun yet?

- Scott
 

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Well.... the snow was minimal but the other damage was bad...

Go to www.rutlandherald.com

Good luck with getting it running. Sounds optomistic.

Bob
 

jdlloyd_iboat

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I floated the boat this morning by jacking up the starboard stern corner and sumped the boat dry to float the boat. I replaced the batteries and the found that the tilt and the troller motor worked. I trolled it to the Marina and removed the boat. Took it home, removed the plugs, sprayed it with WD-40, drained the carbs and hooked up an auxiliary tank with oil/gas mix. Primed the carbs, cranked the starter and it started immediately. Ran it a few minutes returned it to the lake and ran it for 30 minutes. I had it ready for fishing action by 3 PM. Ran better than it had for several years. I think I will sink it every year as part of my maintenance regimen. Gel cell bateery survived. Not sure yet about the lead acid. I had to drain a fuel cel that had filled with water and had to drain the VRO oil reservoir which had pure water in it! Lost one drink cup holder and the teak wood cover for the ski storage compartment in the floor.

Thanks for the advice. If anyone interested in my technique for raising the boat I will post some pictures.
 

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we love pictures. let's see them. CONGRATS on getting it up an running. you lucky bas---d.
 

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Glad you had excellent results with your recovery. You might want to rethink that annual resinking procedure. I sank a boat intentionally once but that was to get the snake out of the bilge! One of us had to give. And yes, I took the motor off first.
 

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Glad to hear it worked out for you. Lets see some pix.

Have a great day.

Rob.
 

tashasdaddy

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willyclay, thats the best reason i've ever heard for sinking one.
 

jdlloyd_iboat

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Re: Drying out a boat and motor

Just got back from a trip to Huntsville so I'll post a few pics to show the recovery. Unfortunately, my photographer )my dear wife) took pictures of people rather than the boat so I don't really have many "good" ones.

Here are a few to show the problem and the method I used to float the boat. It helped that the boat was tied to the dock and supported on one side and the other (port side) was in waist deep water. That's me bailing the boat along with an electric submersible sump pump in 55 degree water. Once I got the outer mold line winched above the lake level, it took about 30 minutes to get it dry.

Thanks again for the helpful words and encouragement.
 

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Wow.... that photo of the boat submerged next to the dock is a heartbreaker. Glad to see it is up and running and okay.

The good news is Ice OUT! Bomoseen and Champlain :) happened last weekend.
 
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