Wally World on wellfair day.......

[Pony]

Re: Wally World on wellfair day.......

I think there are people out there who need legit help, and who could benifit from these programs without abusing them.............the problem though is that those that abuse it are the ones we notice and really put a bad picture of the program as a whole out there.

My mom collected unemployment for a bit, the whole while going to countless interviews etc. She used it to pay bills. I remember during that time we bought only the essentials and would go to 3 or 4 grocery stores to get the best price. I don't even care to think about what we would have done without that, since at the same time my dad was on sick leave for his radiation treatments. Money was very tight. I don't feel as though she abused the system. Through lots of hardwork, she has a well paying job at great company making more than she did before her other job was outsourced at a different company. This to me is how the system should be used, and why I think it is a good system to have....

It just really sucks that the sytem is abused so much. It needs to be drastically reformed, far too many get a free ride off the honest mans $.

 

[xtraham]

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There are people who genuinely need this type of assistance, and we need to make it available. The problem is, there are tangible rewards to politicians to ensure that people remain "addicted" to these entitlements.

I hope no one here ever needs state assistance, you WON'T get it, if you worked and paid taxes all you life, and live in your own home forget it! I won't go into detail it's to much typing, but I would not wish the fait of seeking wellfare resources on anyone I know

 

[POINTER94]

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Pony,

Unemployment is/was paid by your mother, her former employers, and the gov. Unemployment has a sunset date. (It expires). It is sometimes referred to as unemployment insurance. Your mother paid for/earned that money! Food stamps, welfare, AFDC, are in effect, gifts. Not that there is anything wrong in their true design, they are meant to be a bridge between the really terrible times and future opportunities. I see your mother used her time wisely and used the programs for that which they are intended. She seems to have clearly won your respect with her efforts and fortitude. Tens of thousands of people do just what your mom did.

There are also alot of bums, and that is what they are, bums, who milk the system for every dime, without a shred of dignity, and pass this legacy or lesson on to the subsequent generation. They have no intention of finding work, enjoy their existance as a burden to society and there are some who feed this dibilitation and foster additional "programs" for the sole purpose of a sound bite about their concern for the public. Not only are they burdens to our society, they are rightous about their "needs" which now have manifested themselves as demands. Being a bum should at least be uncomfortable. It serves as a motivation to better one's existance. So much as suggesting this makes me evil, and insensitive.

 

[mikeandronda]

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This is a cut and paste as I am self employed so no urine tests for me......


Urine test

"Like a lot of folks in this state I have a job. I work, they pay me. I pay
my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to
get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test, with which I
have no problem.

What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who
don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to
get a welfare check because I have to pass one to earn it for them??
Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their
feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sitting on
their #$% . Could you imagine how much money the state would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?????

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Nope.....
& Employee drug testing should not exist either.....IMHO......​

 

[POINTER94]

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Haut, we agree. I think it is far to invasive, unless under the influence on the job. But hey, its all about healthcare, and liability. The exact same arguement used to justify just this side of hate crime legislation against fast food, cigs, alcohol, cooking fat, soda, red meat..........

 

[mikeandronda]

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Well in truth Im even more about freedom then that.....I feel it should be my right to decide if the people I hire take a drug test or not.......simple if they dont like it work somewere else. It not like Im forcing druggies to quite their drugs...Only if they want to work for me....If you want help from the government then I guess you should have to jump through the hoops.

 

[tommays]

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Right after a worker BLOWS Up your work place because he was a bit high Or drunk and kills a few friends you feel a bit different


I THINK I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO DANGEROUS WORK AROUND SOBER PEOPLE


Tommays

 

[Pony]

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Right after and worker BLOWS Up your work place because he was a bit high Or drunk and kills a few friends you feel a bit different


I THINK I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO DANGEROUS WORK AROUND SOBER PEOPLE


Tommays

I agree completely. I think it is perfectly acceptable to make a drug test mandatory at first hire (the company has the right to decide imho).......after that it is only acceptable in my eyes when there is a legit reason.

Unless you are smokin Mary Jane, you have no reason to fear the test............UNLESS you just a poppy seed muffin

 

[CJY]

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I don't detest gov't programs like that, I DETEST THE ABUSE OF SAID PROGRAMS!!

I agree completely. Good luck having the programs w/o their abuse though. The only way to end the abuse is to end the program. Hence, my original reply.

 

[jasonh]

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You're right, JB - jumping to conclusions is not a smart thing to do. The woman you rebuked was in all honesty was probably one in a million - the exception and not the rule. Here we get into what could be a very rich discussion involving "profiling".

That being said, JB, I consider myself a decent judge of human character. It was not just one thing that prompted me to say something, it was the picture taken as a whole - unwashed kid in the basket, the reeking smell of cigarette smoke from her, the beer, the junk food, the f-bombs... I was pretty certain she personified just about every negative stereotype one could think of for "white-trash". They consume more than they contribute at every level and petty or not, I was smiling at the fact I was able to vent years of silent frustration on a prime offender. I'm not proud of that necessarily, it's just me being human.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Nope.....

& Employee drug testing should not exist either.....IMHO......​

I don't say much on this stuff, but Haut, wait till you see a Tractor Trailer where the driver is high on drugs run over a family and then you will think different about random drug tests.
If it saves one life, I am all for them.

 

[demsvmejm]

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It's not the message that is confusing you Rolmops, its your bleeding heart, It is the inability to react to programs that not only do a disservice to those it intends to assist, it is the intentional ignoring of the governmental enslavement of the poor and knowingly allowing their conditions to reamain as is for political purposes. Nothing wrong with a hand up, its the hand out that perpetuates ones negative condition.

I think this is the first thing I have fully agreed with from you Pointer. I tend to lean slightly left of center, but my blood boils when I see this very abuse of a very worthy program. Worthy ONLY if applied in the ideal. The whole hand up, not a hand out thing.

 

[POINTER94]

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Cool, perhaps we have reached common ground. The distance between most peoples positions is usually only a matter of degrees.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Hey, their sales were down so much last quarter that they are going to have to lay off some of ther illegal immigrant employees...... ​

 

[muskyone]

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http://www.heritage.org/Research/Welfare/HL593.cfm i havent been in a wally world or supper market in years so i don't know how this is going

 

[POINTER94]

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Hey thats great news Haut. "Big" retail taking a dump. Maybe some government intervention to stifle the free market system would be helpful. Oh, wait, they already tell them to sell for higher prices than they would normally.

We need to look at the books to make sure they are not gouging. Those CEO's might be making more than the unemployed. It just isn't fair. In fact I bet it is a conspiracy hatched by "Big" oil. Or "Big" auto. Or "Big" Pharaceutical. Or "Big" (fill in whatever suits your needs here.) Walmart has a good record when it comes to hiring practices. I find it interesting that you would be excited that an American company had a bad quarter and people had to be laid off. Perhaps I will just wait for you to send out a cheer when Boeing ("Big" Airplane, and talk about a monopoly) starts posting losses?

 

[Haut Medoc]

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FYI, economists are directly attributing the downturn in the retail sector #'s to the increase in gas prices.......
Of course that was something that I read in the paper, & ya can't believe what BIG MEDIA, err.....the MSM tells ya, right?........​

 

[POINTER94]

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Only a fool would.

Ah yes, "Big" oil's fault.... Neat!

 

[SuzukiChopper]

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You know, I just don't get the welfare system. In the states or here in Canada. It boggles my mind. I'm pretty good at figuring things out for myself, but this is one thing that I just can't.

My girlfriend's dad is a good example of why the system is messed up. As much as I do NOT like him, before his brain surgery (to remove a tumor) he always made the effort to have a job as crappy as they may have been. His personality problems aside, that generally keep him from holding a job, the longest he's been unemployed in the last 8 years has MAYBE been a month in which time me and my girlfriend supported him.

As I mentioned he recently had brain surgery to remove a tumor and was unable to work for a few months to recover. He was employed when he went in for surgery and became unemployed shortly after that. He applied for welfare, has his bills paid for, only a PORTION of his rent and gets $100 a month for personal expenses (food). He also had a condition tacked onto this that stated he had to see a therapist about his personality issues and take a vocational course. He's attended all of this, done the courses, etc., but they won't take care of his full rent! He lives in a VERY modest apartment, probably one of the cheapest in this city. There are people renting houses, more expensive then his, on welfare that have EVERYTHING taken care of for them including health care. My girlfriend has to buy his pills for him and he has a legitimate medical condition to overcome. He's been employed, wants to be employed again, how does his welfare case make sense?! To me it makes no sense.

At the same time as this, my girlfriend doesn't make a ton of money but absolutely loves her job. I make a modest living and between the minimal amount she gives for the house, it's still affordable for us. However, we've now come on hard times (our cupboards are empty) because she is stuck doing what welfare SHOULD be doing for her father. He's not an abuser of the system by ANY means, but the ones that are have not only affected him, but are affecting mine and my ol' ladies life as well. It pissed me off to no end. The banks don't make things any easier either but that's another rant.

GRRRR!