Haut vs Big Oil

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Haut vs Big Oil

Hmmmmmm, Ya know Bro Haut you've hooked lots of 'em with this junk yer spewin', so I'll take the bait and apply some logic and history to your proposal so we can collectively ponder the potential results. First: let's review some facts. #1 the US based oil companies are large relative to all US companies and fairly efficient, but they are quite small relative to the rest of the worlds oil producers, (many of which are sovern states).
Agreed....They are very efficient at doing whatever it takes to sustain their obscene profits on the final product........
#2 "Representatives" you want to vote for to take over the US part of the world's oil production are not reliable and would not have any authority over the rest of the world's oil production, (the majority of the production of the valuable commodity in demand world wide is foreign). You sure can not count on them to complete a war they voted for, so what else do you realy think they can do? Please cite some examples of industries they have managed properly. Some 'representatives" are blatently corrupt; Murtha, Jefferson, Hastings et al come to mind.

I'm not saying the Gov should take it over....
I'm saying that they should build their own refineries, drill the oil on public land (instead of leasing said land to USAOT) & sell said refined petroleum products at a fair mark up......
Thus breaking the USAOT's stanglehold on supply.....
Oh, & you forgot to add Duke Cunningham, & the Abramoff bunch to that list..........​

#3 Lennin tried a similar corncept in 1917. Did you learn anything from history me Bro? Governments are not good producers of anything. History is very clear about that.

If the USSR would have been content with what they had instead of trying for world domination, I think they would still be in business, like China did......
#4 If your "representatives" pass laws nationalzing all US oil companies, (or passed laws forcing them to sell products below market prices how would you enforce that)? How would you set prices?
The prices will set themselves after the "rationing" by the USAOT ends.....
Would good Democrats get a better deal then the rest of us? Would you have John Kerry give ZmOz n' his friend a special deal on their gas so they could drive long distances to their work and hostbitals, n' ZmOz could fire up the ol' Merc 1500 n' go fer a spin?
No.....

What if the oil companies decided to move offshore?
They ain't going nowhere, the trough is still here....
They will just have to learn how to 'ration' their profit.......

Would ya throw the oil company workers in a Gulag n force 'em to produce oil or do what to 'em?
It would be up to them if they wanted to continue in the industry or find another job......

This kind of out of corntroll whinning n' knashing of our teeth is very unproductive. If you voted for "representatives" who set prices or profit levels you would be turning over all the world's oil production to your favorite people. Do you really want the State to run just the oil business or all business.
Again, I don't want to Gov to run oil.....
I just want them to end the manipulation of the USAOT.....
Do ya think we would last as long as the USSR did? JR
YUP!


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Et Tu, Murky.....
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[ZmOz]

Re: Haut vs Big Oil

You need to back to school ZmOz. I can't educate you all by myself.

I have more than enough education to know what I'm talking about. Once again my post has gone right over your head and you missed the point entirely. If you think the US is 100% capitalist right now you must have never been to school. The laws of a free market don't currently apply to oil companies.

 

[SuperNova]

Re: Haut vs Big Oil

Rule #1 of business- Charge what the market will bear. As long as we keep demanding more fuel and willingly paying whatever price is asked for it, the price will only keep going up. That's also why prices climb during high demand periods such as around holidays and during the summer.

Rule #1 of a capitalistic society- greed is good. Profit is king. If you owned stocks in any of these oil companies you wouldn't be complaining as much.


So suck it up or move out. But quit your blathering hypocritical whining.

 

[RPJS]

Re: Haut vs Big Oil

#1 You're starting to see the light, these oil companies are in bussiness to make the biggest profits they can.

#2 You want a government to set up and run an oil bussiness just like that. Where is the money going to come from, even the mighty US government can't find that sort of cash out of nowhere and you certainly wouldn't get any private sector funding if the whole goal of the enterprise is to limit profit.

#3 Have I missed something, when did the USSR try for world domination!!

#4 You are kidding. You now expect this government funded opperation to be able to supply enough oil/petrol to force the large oil companies into reducing prices. I don't know what lifetime you are thinking but it certainly won't be ours.

#5

#6 This ideology just gets better and better.

#7/8 So what are you going to call this socialist republic formaly the USA.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: Haut vs Big Oil

#7/8 So what are you going to call this socialist republic formaly the USA.

I believe they like to refer to it as a progressive secularist society.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: Haut vs Big Oil

#1 You're starting to see the light, these oil companies are in bussiness to make the biggest profits they can.

#2 You want a government to set up and run an oil bussiness just like that. Where is the money going to come from, even the mighty US government can't find that sort of cash out of nowhere and you certainly wouldn't get any private sector funding if the whole goal of the enterprise is to limit profit.

#3 Have I missed something, when did the USSR try for world domination!!

#4 You are kidding. You now expect this government funded opperation to be able to supply enough oil/petrol to force the large oil companies into reducing prices. I don't know what lifetime you are thinking but it certainly won't be ours.

#5

#6 This ideology just gets better and better.

#7/8 So what are you going to call this socialist republic formaly the USA.

#1
Of course, but when you have the market cornered.....
#2
We have so much money we can afford to **** away billions in Iraq, forgive foreign debt & police the world....
Surely we can build a couple refineries.....
Just take a chunk of profit from Exxon/Mobster, you'll have plenty to git 'er dun!......
#3.....
Why did we have a cold war & an arms race?.....
#4
No, just enough to keep the USAOT honest.....
#5
Yes!
#6
yes!
#7
USA.......​

 

[RPJS]

Re: Haut vs Big Oil

#1
Of course, but when you have the market cornered.....
#2
We have so much money we can afford to **** away billions in Iraq, forgive foreign debt & police the world....
Surely we can build a couple refineries.....
Just take a chunk of profit from Exxon/Mobster, you'll have plenty to git 'er dun!......
#3.....
Why did we have a cold war & an arms race?.....
#4
No, just enough to keep the USAOT honest.....
#5
Yes!
#6
yes!
#7
USA.......​

I think your signature just about says all that needs saying.

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: Haut vs Big Oil

I have more than enough education to know what I'm talking about.

You don't have enough education to understand how foolish your statements are. Nothing you have said is "over my head" you just don't get it.

Once again my post has gone right over your head and you missed the point entirely.

I hit all your points spot on, (except the rediculas question about regulated utlities you put forth that would take a great deal of explanation, and you have enough trouble with the simple stuff); you just can't recognize it.


If you think the US is 100% capitalist right now you must have never been to school.

Please stick to readin' my words not tryin' to read my mind. I never said the US was 100% capitalist.

The laws of a free market don't currently apply to oil companies.

They sure do. You and Bro Haut are whinnin' about the free market's way of allocating resources that are relatively scarce and in great demand. Bro Haut is just pullin' our chains, (n' he and I know it, as do some of the others here). He knows that the US government could not possibly come close to competing with private enterprize and I don't plan to directly respond to his last troll other then to say that the corrupt Democrats I mentioned are presently in positions of current power, (n' Democrats everywhere are proud of that fact), the Republicans are no more reliable then Democrats as to character or performance but they do go to jail when they break the law. The fact that we have the best run oil companies in the world, (even though they are relatively small), helps us, (that is America ZmOz), have some degree of order and reasonableness in the oil markets. If you get the US government into the deal all bets are off. I doubt you can understand this corncept, (and I'm pretty sure Haut does), as he is jus' likely causin' trouble. Bottom line: oil is scarce relative to demand the only way to ration without bloodshed or prisons is price. If you can't pay ya can't play, (so ya have to change yer circumstances to match yer situation). Real simple. Please grow up stop whinnin' and understand that is the way it is. I don't mean to be disrespectfull to you but your position is just plain upside down.

 

[Coors]

Re: Haut vs Big Oil

Avery good troll, Haut. You got z all upset, that he doesn't know economics 101.

 

[RubberFrog]

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OMR... you could have a PhD in economics and there would still always be some high school drop out to tell you what an idiot you are.... come to think of it... according to my local "expert" my strategies should have me in the poor house... see he's still trying to "make" a million dollars instead of saving 3 million... stupid me.... meanwhile... I ***** about it like the rest of us when I fill up the truck... and then i go tow the boat to the river and forget about it... see ya in the waves.

 

[OldMercsRule]

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OMR... you could have a PhD in economics and there would still always be some high school drop out to tell you what an idiot you are.... come to think of it... according to my local "expert" my strategies should have me in the poor house... see he's still trying to "make" a million dollars instead of saving 3 million... stupid me.... meanwhile... I ***** about it like the rest of us when I fill up the truck... and then i go tow the boat to the river and forget about it... see ya in the waves.

Agreed, I don't like fillin' up the ol' SUV either, (but I know its more then just about me). My daughter is havin' a party on RR island July 4 and she is hedging her bets by fillin' up the boat tanks now. Luv it! Before they had jobs, (all three of my kids work now), I had to buy all the gas for those hungry black anchors. N' the Lord only know how kids hot rod boats. Now they buy it or row their boats, (or stay on shore to tend the beach fire). BTW, I taught 'em not to snivel about supply vs demand. If ya wanna play we all know ya gots ta pay!!!!

 

[Coors]

Re: Haut vs Big Oil

OMR raised people with sense; congratulations, the will do fine in life. (un-like z)