Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

Rich976usaf

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Hey again guys. Im still having this problem. I just wanted some input before i go and buy a $$ expemsive fuel pump. I am restoring this 1985 evinrude 115 hp ob. I have rebuilt the lower unit, cleaned the carbs, water pump.

The problem im having is a cant get enough power to get up on plane. I idle fine and run about to 1/2 wot above that i bog down. But if i back off then i still run. I get small pulses of power sometimes. Or if i "hit it" it revs up nice then usually stalls. It might help some if i keep squeezing the primer bulb. I thought it was a problem with the tank, so i bought a new tank. I was getting goo from the tank in the filter. The problem still persists. I have changed all the fuel lines. Does this sound like a weak pump. I have pulled the VRO pump that I have converted to premix and closed off the oil lines. I ran it with the cover and air box off. I could see the fuel spraying into all four barrels. So how could it be the fuel pump. Am i not getting enough fuel, I cant tell? Could this problem be electrical?

Where is a cheap place to buy a fuel pump. Can i convert to a different style pump? What are my options. What do you guys think? Any advice is appretiated.

I pulled the pump and opened it up the diaphrams look good. there is a one way valve for the fuel in line built into the pump that works well. I checked it by blowing and sucking on the line. (mmm gas tasty) So then i checked the engine pressure part of the pump in the same mannor. I could pull air through it easily. but when there was pressure on that port i could blow through it with resistance. Like there is a leaky valve I cant see. Do you masters know if that is right or wrong.

I just dont want to buy a $200-250 pump if its not the problem.
 

gejandsons

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

You can replace the VRO pump with a regular vacuum pump. The problem could be the power pack.
 

Walker

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

Sounds to me like your carbs are not as clean as you think or you are dropping a coil under load. Make sure all coil grounds are clean and tight.
 

Rich976usaf

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

Does no one think that its the fuel pump? Do you all think its something else and not the pump?
 

ezeke

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

I don't think it is the pump either. Here is why: The pump has only one function in running your engine, which is to lift the fuel to the float bowls with oil either premixed or injected. After that, the action of the pistons must pull the fuel and air through the carburetors and the fuel pump has nothing to do with that except to replenish the float bowls when the floats drop down.​

The idea that your pump anticipates your actions and empties the float bowls on your carburetors just in time to shut you down is without much merit. One thing that you should make sure of is that the pulse limiter is blue and gold and not black and that it is clean and functioning.​
 

Rich976usaf

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

My thought was that the pump is not keeping up with the demand for fuel at high rpm. But what would cause the ignition to cut out under load. The engine runs fine up to about 1/2 rpm. Also how do i check the spark under way. Any advice is appretiated.
 

Rich976usaf

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

I could see that it is electrical. Cause i can tell that the boat runs slightly better at the very begining before the engine it hot run for 15 minutes. So what components could be faulty on the power side. How do i test them. But also why is the primer bulb getting soft. And when it stalls i have to pump up the bulb for it the start.???
 

ezeke

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

Couple of things to check:

The fuel system under ideal conditions would not allow the fuel to flow back to the tank. If it did, then the bulb would have to be pumped up every time you start. I generally don't have to do that but once several hours or so and that is usually only at the cold start. If I did I would be looking for a air leak in the system - probably at one of the hose connections.

Even after cleaning the carburetors, junk can still get back in the high speed jets just because they lie at the very bottoms of the float bowls and catch everthing that sinks down to them, plus any sludge or gum that makes its way through the fuel lines. You might want to drain the float bowls and check the high speed jets which are located just behind and in line with the drain plugs.
 

steelespike

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

Normal for the bulb to be soft when running.Should not collapse.
Squeezing the bulb should solve a weak pump but you would have to keep at it.If squeezing bulb doesn't solve the problem then not likely the pump.
Many times if you go back and be absolutely sure all passages and jets are clean it solves bogging. Also be sure system is clean.Check the plugs or carefully pull on wire at a time and note the response.Some systems you need to ground the plug wire to prevent damage to ignition components.
You could pull line from pump to carbs and crank carefully with line in a can.
Should be strong steady pulses.BE CAREFUL
 

Rich976usaf

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

So im still looking at changing the fuel pump. After looking at the pump and knowing that pumps dont cause problems. i figured out how the lines and one way valve function. I determined definitly that the pump is leaking on an internal one way valve. I an going to set out to change this 85 vro (premix Myslef) with a cheaper different style fuel pump. HAHA im gonna see what the experts know about conversions. I want to put in a pump to an 1982 115 fuel pump. I think it still works off the engine compression. Started a new post to ask that question. Hopefull someone knows .
 

gejandsons

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

Pump works off of engine vacuum
 

Rich976usaf

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

Ok since then I changed the pump. Not the solution, but dont stall out anymore. But i still dont get full throttle, but i get more power when i press the primer solinoid. I'm gonna try decarboning the engine.. I hope this helps.
 

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

have you ? 1/ removed the high speed jets with the special tool, and cleaned them. 2/ done a linc n sinc. it sounds to me you are not getting full carboration, or the carbs and fire are not working together. 3/ have you taken an induction timing light, connected it. and checked each plug wire, for constant fire, while running on the water.
 

Rich976usaf

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

Ok i took the boat out again today. It ran worse. I could only get up to 3500 rpm. If i press the kep in and open the solenoid. I get 5000 rpm, but not today. It was running worse. It stalled twice and wouldnt start for 10 min, I also ran seafoam in the gas. I dont know what it is. I Pulled the carbs again and their clean. As for a link and sync. the butterfly in th carb is fully open at full WOT. I think i may have some kinda ignition problem?? Im getting spark on all clyinders. and i checked the timing, its fine.

This guy i met told my he had a problem like this on a merc :p He said he changed part of the ignition that was holding back the rpm. He didnt know what it was. He siad it wasnt a coil or magneto. Is there like a computer or something that would restrict the rpm unless i open the primmer solenoid and flood the engine with gas.

Any more help would be good.

Tashdaddy to respond to you. The last week when i pulled the carbs, i changed the fuel pump. I put on an older triangle shaped fuel pump from an 82. It mounted to the engine block differently but seems to work fine. The dealer told me that it was fine doing that then sold me the part for $100. But at that time i pulled the carbs I didnt pull out the high speed jets. I did spray carb cleaner through that hole. I put the timing light on each wire and i had good constant spark.

In totally without any idea now. Help please.
 

Rich976usaf

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

Ok so its not the fuel pump i changed that........

Talk to me a little about the ignition. I read the manual and i dont have special tools. Its seems a little confusing to me. What in the system would restrict the rpm. Im getting like 3500-4500, sometimes when holding the primer open 5000 and once 5500. I have checked all fuel sys. Actually everything on the fuel side is new. Tank hoses filter pump clean carbs. So it must be ignition.

How do you guys trouble shoot your ignition problems.
Anyone:confused::confused::confused:
 

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Re: Still having a problem. Maybe fuel pump?

If monkeying with the primer can get it up to 5000rpms you've got nothing wrong with the ignition components. You have a fuel problem - likely an air leak, or your high-speed jets are still dirty. You may also have a link & sync problem, although unlikely since you can get 'er goin' with the primer.
 
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