New York death penalty

[ricksrster]

I disagree with this legislation. Everybody should be treated equally under the law. The death penalty should be for killing anybody, not just police ( government employees ).

Winner: Senate will back death penalty
June 20, 2007


The state Senate later today is expected toi act on legislation co-sponsored by Senator George H. Winner Jr., R-C, Elmira, to reinstate New York?s death penalty in all cases of first-degree murder.

The legislation addresses a June 2004 decision by the state?s highest court, the Court of Appeals, that declared unconstitutional a key section of New York?s existing death penalty statute.

The Senate has approved legislation over the past year to reinstate the death penalty in cases of first-degree murder involving the killing of a police officer, peace officer or employee of the state Department of Correctional Services. The legislation approved today would fully reinstate the death penalty and protect all citizens.

Winner urged Assembly Democratic leaders to allow a vote on the measure.

?Tough laws and a strong criminal justice system have helped to make New York one of the safest large states in America over the past decade,?
said Winner, a member of the Senate Crime, Crime Victims and Correction Committee. ?We shouldn?t keep the door shut on the death penalty. It was a key weapon in our criminal justice arsenal throughout most of this era of declining violent crime rates.?

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: New York death penalty

I agree that their lives are not any more precious than anyone else's....​

 

[OldMercsRule]

Re: New York death penalty

Sorry for the rant here but I really bugs me that Liberals, (from either party in Liberal states like Washington or New York) have to have BIG GOVERNMENT pick winners and loosers all the time, (with the tyrants in black robes as their favorite icons to tell us what to do from a living breathing document that talks only to them the enlightened elite activist judges put there by wonderfull Liberals).

Why do they want soooo much control over us peons by BIG GOVERNMENT??? A crime should be a crime period. Even if it is against a gay person or a person of color, (no need for a special "hate" category). I do think a crime against an armed peace officer doing their job enforcing the law is more serious then against another agrivated private party, but both should have grave potential punishment that the prosecutor can cornsider based on circumstances of the particular crime.

MY $.02. JR

 

[JB]

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Please note that I am agreeing with Brother Haut.

Murder is murder. It doesn't matter to me who the victim is.

There are differences, however, in murder committed in a fit of rage, murder calculated and planned for personal gain and murder committed under pressure of a deviant psychological urge.

There are also differences in degree of proof presented by the State.

If proof is absolute and murder is for gain or because of mental deviance I approve of the death solution (I still can't see it as a penalty worse than life in prison). Again, proof must be absolute and the murder must be committed with evil intent.

Too many innocent people have been sent to death row based on good lawyering by prosecutors with flawed proof.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: New York death penalty

Nuke the murderers!

 

[QC]

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The way I read the above legislation is that it is to make it right: all first degree murderers would be "eligible" for the death penalty, not just police officers etc. So in that sense I agree with the current legislation.

I will make one logical observation, where there is no death penalty, I would not want to be a prison guard involved with anyone who was already in for life with no possibility for parole . . . Seems like a license to kill to me

 

[Bob_VT]

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I am not prejudice......... I would volunteer to push the button on any convicted killer regardless of who they killed. It should not matter on what the deceased person's occupation was.

 

[rmmpe]

Re: New York death penalty

I have long questioned the application of 1st and 2nd degree murder.
Is the death of a person defined by degree?
Are they dead in the 1st degree, or the 2nd?

As far as Hate Crimes go; in a case involving a murder, what difference does it make to the end result? Are not most killings based on some form of hate or another?

When is Homocide Homocide?

Or do we define it based on the definition of what is is?

IMO, the killing of another should be penalized with no differentiation.

 

[RubberFrog]

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When is Homocide Homocide?

Only when you kill a gay man.

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: New York death penalty

Only when you kill a gay man.

RMPPE, there are different degrees of murder......
Planning to kill some one, or hiring to do it are most heinous.....
Killing someone while committing a crime is bad.....
I shot my wife 'cuz I caught her in bed with someone else.....
I know that they are all dead, but it is the malice aforethought that makes it worse.....
I don't think that killing a police officer should be any worse than killing anyone else.....
It is the circumstances under which the death occurs that is important, IMHO......​

 

[tommays]

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I think the DUKE CASE sent the whole thing backwards 50 years with a DA willing to lie that much


Tommays

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: New York death penalty

I think the DUKE CASE sent the whole thing backwards 50 years with a DA willing to lie that much


Tommays

He sure did give prosecuters a black eye......

 

[QC]

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I shot my wife 'cuz I caught her in bed with someone else.....

I knew there was something just not quite right about you

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: New York death penalty

I knew there was something just not quite right about you

What?....​

 

[Haut Medoc]

Re: New York death penalty

That used to be one of my favorite lines.....

Me: Yeah, I used to be married, but my wife died......
Her: Oh, that's terrible, what happened?
Me: I killed her!......
It gets quite a reaction & you can get a good read on someone's sense of humor from it......​

 

[rolmops]

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I have my doubts about the death penalty.
It is very easy to take life,but it is impossible to give it back.
There are altogether to many prosecutors with political ambitions,who are mostly interested in winning cases,where they should be interested in pursuing justice.Against them stand the accused who are often to poor to afford a lawyer and have to make do with a state appointed lawyer who sees no money in the case and very often could not care less about the outcome of the trial.
I perceive this effort to put the death penalty back on the books mostly as an effort by representative Winner,to win another election.The NY state elected officials as a group,be they democrats or republicans,are mostly known for their very clannish control of the assembly and senate and I do not believe that they care much beyond their goal of getting re-elected.

 

[QC]

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I have my doubts about the death penalty.

You are out of sync with your religion . . .

 

[RubberFrog]

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I have my doubts about the death penalty.

Another predictable response.

I guess when someone rapes and murders your family, you'll be all compassionate and forgive them. Maybe you can make them some cookies.

 

[rolmops]

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You are out of sync with your religion . . .

Not quite.
In my religion, one of the laws concerning the death penalty also requires the condemning judge and the prosecutor to not only condemn,but to also execute the death penalty.This was to make sure that these sentences were not handed out lightly.
I wonder how many death sentences would be handed out if the law was the same in this country.

 

[rolmops]

Re: New York death penalty

Another predictable response.

I guess when someone rapes and murders your family, you'll be all compassionate and forgive them. Maybe you can make them some cookies.

You certainly conclude a lot from my doubts.I never claimed that I am against the death penalty.
My doubts are mostly concerning the law makers who want to make changes to laws having to do with life and death,but with the sentence itself as well, although much less so.
I did learn that good Christians are supposed to be compassionate and forgiving.
Personally,I have only limited use for that idea.
Your response was very predictable,but rather misguided.