Do most old boats needs new floors?

Do most old boats needs new floors?

  • My floors need to be replaced.

    Votes: 260 61.5%
  • My floors have been replaced

    Votes: 80 18.9%
  • My floors are Rock solid. I dont need no stinking Floors :D

    Votes: 83 19.6%

  • Total voters
    423

CN Spots

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

I've heard that Skeeter built a bassboat with corrugated cardboard stringers (fiberglass encapsulated). They claimed all of the strength came from the 'glass. I wonder how that worked out?
 

bowman316

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

Anything you paint with glass resin will turn to rock, that is VERY strong glue basically, kinda like wood VS. petrified wood.

I just wonder if eventually that would loos it's weterproof abilities, and get wet, and be weak.

Bottom line, wood in a boat WILL rot over the years, this is why there are so many wood substitutes now.

I got lucky, My boat has all glass stringers.
 

CN Spots

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

I wonder if that could be done on a resto? And how many layers of 'glass would it take to sub for the wood?
 

pinkham89

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

i seem to remember seeing somewhere someone glassed over foam for stringers... just using the foam as a lightweight form for the glass...how feasible is that?
 

CN Spots

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

i seem to remember seeing somewhere someone glassed over foam for stringers... just using the foam as a lightweight form for the glass...how feasible is that?

I think Bayliner did that.
 

Mark_VTfisherman

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

I've heard that Skeeter built a bassboat with corrugated cardboard stringers (fiberglass encapsulated). They claimed all of the strength came from the 'glass. I wonder how that worked out?

Fiberglass over cardboard forms is quite strong. The cardboard is merely a sacrificial form- sacrificial in that you can never get it back out!

I am planning to make the stringers for the Reinell rebuild I am hoping to start this spring out of cardboard and masking tape, and 'glass them in- no more wood. Then a solid fiberglass floor- just like my MFG: nothing to fix or rot out.
 

redfury

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

would be nice to have a source for some good long pieces of corrugated cardboard that was maybe a half inch thick.
 

wazzulu

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

I was given a project by my uncle that will be a great boat when I am done. It is a '61 Smith Craft 18' Aluminum I have been looking for information on the boat but it is hard to find. I am in the process of taking out the floor and foam it spent the last 13 years with a torn tarp on the Oregon coast. In looking for a good material to use as decking I came across 4x8 sheets of concrete home siding. Besides being heavy do any of you have an opinion on how this might work?
 
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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

My new peoject has soft spots on the port, and starboard sides, towards the rear.(20' i/o) so does my other boat(17' i/o). this seems to be pretty common, heck, I'm 2 for 2!
I have replaced a few stringers/floors/glass/carpet, and if You have a little D.I.Y. gumption, it's not so bad, just takes time. I'm doing an overhaul on a 1978 20' cuddy, i/o with a chevy 350. Anyone ever done a "cigar" boat conversion?(all nose, two rowes of seats?)
Good Luck!
Jim
 

reelfishin

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

.... Eventually the epoxy will crack allowing moisture in, but it can never get out. After that it will rot at an accelerated pace.....

I think there's a lot of truth to this, I've seen some really well covered wood transoms in aluminum boats rot out in far less time than the original uncoated, untreated wood did. If the encased wood can't breath or dry out if there's a breach in the coating, it will no doubt rot. The same thing for a deck which is completely coated on both sides. Two of my Starcraft aluminum boats are getting due for a deck, one will need a transom as well. The transom on my 18' is rock solid yet after 40 years, and it's been stored outdoors under a lean too and in a boat house prior to my buying it.
I like the idea of a boat being wood free, the kind of boat that can sit bow high and never worry about rot, but so far those are far and few between and certainly not in my budget or price range.
I have seriously considered several wood substitutes but none have the total strength of wood pound for pound.

The idea of cardboard for stringer forms isn't new, Starcraft used cardboard tubes to form their stringers in 1962 on several models. Even once the cardboard is long gone and turned to slimy wet goo, the stringers are still just as strong as when new.
A buddy of mine built a small duck boat by making fiberglass tubes, using PVC tubing, then ripping the tubes in half length wise and using the half round fiberglass sections for his stringers all across the bottom of the hull. This resulted in a completely fiberglass lower hull. He used rigid foam for the main hull form, which remained encapsulated as flotation when all done.
 

CN Spots

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

So if some boats used sacrificial stringers to support the 'glass would it then not be any concern that said stringers have since turned to paste? I see a lot of boats on here having new stringers installed but the 'glass on either side of the stringers is still intact. On models where the 'glass handles all the load (and the glass is in good shape) why bother installing new ones?
 

Edko

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

wonder if stringers done with icf and glass would be a good thing...they are all the rage in house building now.

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PiratePast40

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

When I bought my boat based on an ad on Craigslist, it didn't say anything about needing a new deck (or transom or stringers) just said it needed a new bellows :rolleyes:.
 

reelfishin

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

wonder if stringers done with icf and glass would be a good thing...they are all the rage in house building now.

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With enough layers of glass the ICF form would be fine and even add some flotation. My concern would be what if water got into the foam itself. If there was any breach of the resin, you could have a real mess. I would think that the best idea would be to build a boat with pure fiberglass tubes, with nothing inside and good drainage to the bilge. Keep any flotation high in the hull, to keep the boat upright if it swamps, and to use a completely composite sole, deck, and transom. I've been debating on trying the new cellular PVC panel that is available from companies like Certainteed. Its not for structural use but for a flat are or interior panels, I can see it being a goo option. It just don't have the grain or punch through strength of wood, but on a smaller boat, especially aluminum hulls, I can see it being a good option.
 

bowman316

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

why don't power boats have more of a keel?
if you capsize, a heavy keel will help upright you.

at least put some lead in the bottom center
 

slasmith1

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

why don't power boats have more of a keel?
if you capsize, a heavy keel will help upright you.

at least put some lead in the bottom center

displacement hulls or trawlers do. planing hulls need to be light to function properly ie no keel.
 

skargo

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

The 1978 Nova I just bought from the original owner has rock solid, original floors. It was always in his boathouse, on a lift, covered. Original interior, original engine, etc. Only 431 hours on it!

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CheapboatKev

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

I've looked everywhere on my boat for the floor, For the life of me I can't find it?? Is it hiding someplace? Maybe under the DECK???
lol:D
 

slasmith1

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

I've looked everywhere on my boat for the floor, For the life of me I can't find it?? Is it hiding someplace? Maybe under the DECK???
lol:D

I believe they are refering to the sole
:confused:
 

cbavier

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Re: Do most old boats needs new floors?

Most yes if the floors are wood and the boat is old enough. Nothing last forever. Wood rots and especially if it gets wet.
 
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