checking for a draw of power

vawn69

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Hi, I am new to this forum and to boats. I have a 92 Sunbird 190 with the omc 90hp motor. I've had this boat since the start of this summer. It is a great starter boat for my family and I. The last time I took out the boat we had problems with it not starting, too bad we were out in the middle of the lake. The motor did not turn over and my guess was the battery. Bought a new one and fired up. Got the old one tested and was told it was still good so I charged it. Long story short, same thing happened but this time I had the extra battery. My question is how do I test to find if there is a draw and this may sound stupid but does this outboard motor have an alternator? Any advise would be greatly appreciated, thanks again
 

Barnacle_Bill

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Re: checking for a draw of power

It sounds like your motor is not charging. You have an alternator per se but it is called a stator on an outboard. It feeds a rectifier that converts the AC to DC. You may or may not have a regulator. I highly recommend you get a manual and it will tell you how to test these components. If you have ever created a spark anywhere or hooked up the battery backwards even for a split second, you have blown your rectifier and it will have to be replaced. This is the most common problem of a no charge situation.
 

Silvertip

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Re: checking for a draw of power

Does your boat have a voltmeter on the instrument panel. If it does, start the engine and idle it up to about 1500 rpm. If the voltmeter shows 13.5 volts or so it's charging. If less than that, its not. Otherwise use a hand held voltmeter and check voltage at the battery under the same conditions.
 

vawn69

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Re: checking for a draw of power

I just tested the battery volt when boat is at idle and it is lower than 13.5 volts. It was close to 1 volt lower, if I had it running, than if i just tested battery. I just recharged the starting battery on the boat. I also have a deep cycle battery and it read pretty close. I do believe there is a draw.
 

Silvertip

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Re: checking for a draw of power

At idle its normal for the alternator to be at 12.6 or so. You need to have the engine running at 1500 RPM or more. THEN voltage should be 13.5 or so. If the boat has a radio, the station memory draws a small amount of current but it would not draw the battery in a short period of time. Make sure you don't have a bilge pump, live well, fans, or something elese running. Don't charge the battery and then take measurements. Let it sit for a couple of hours. Then start the engine and make the measurements at 1500 RPM. If you think you have a current draw, pull the fuses and measure the voltage across each of the fuse block terminals. A fuse that shows voltage between the two terminals is the one that's causing the draw. Ignore the radio fuse. I'm guessing here but I suspect your alternator is not charging because you have a bad rectifier/regulator. A bad diode in that device can cause reverse current flow. Nobody has asked, but does your tach work?
 

vawn69

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Re: checking for a draw of power

tach does not work...only sometimes..why?
 

Silvertip

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The tach gets its signal from the regulator/rectifier. One of the indications of a bad charging systems therefore is the fact that the tach doesn't work. The fact that its intermittent says you have some loose wires either on the tach, at the battery, or at one or more of the other connections. It could also be a heat related failure in the rectifier/regulator. If you indeed have a bad regulator/rectifier, one or more of the diodes may be the cause which is also allowing a path for battery voltage to ground.
 

vawn69

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Re: checking for a draw of power

hey thanks...helps me where to start..weird how I got those readings..
 

QuadManiac

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Re: checking for a draw of power

The tach gets its signal from the regulator/rectifier. One of the indications of a bad charging systems therefore is the fact that the tach doesn't work. The fact that its intermittent says you have some loose wires either on the tach, at the battery, or at one or more of the other connections. It could also be a heat related failure in the rectifier/regulator. If you indeed have a bad regulator/rectifier, one or more of the diodes may be the cause which is also allowing a path for battery voltage to ground.

I believe the tach gets its signal directly from the stator (it may be connected to the INPUT or AC side of the rec/reg, which is the stator wires), not the output of the rec/reg. (that's why tachs are switchable from 4 to 20 poles).

If your tach is working intermittently, it is likely that the charging portion of your stator is only working intermittently also.

If you measure directly across the AC terminals of the rec/reg with a voltmeter set to AC volts, you should see well above 17 Volts AC at reasonable RPM's (1500 or above). Measuring on the output side of the rec/reg, with the meter set to DC volts, you should see 13.5 or more VDC. You should see essentially the same (13.5 VDC or above) directly at the battery.

Silvertip is correct regarding the rectifier related diode short and its likely symptoms; but if your tach is working intermittently, i'd suspect a loose connection in the stator wiring common to both the tach and to the rectifier.

Check for a parasitic current draw, pull the positive battery cable, configure meter for DC Amps, 10 amps or more if possible, (you may have to plug your positive meter lead into a different meter hole to do this) leave all units that draw power turned off (ignition especially). Put one meter lead on battery positive terminal, other lead on battery positive cable. If you measure anything more than, say, 10-100 mA (.01 to .1 A), you've got a significant draw somewhere.

Good Luck.
 

Zackman

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Re: checking for a draw of power

My question is how do I test to find if there is a draw
If I understand this portion of your question... To determine if there is a draw on the battery (with engine off). With the engine not running, remove the negative cable from the battery and connect a 12v test light between the cable and battery. Connect the jawed end of the test light to the negative cable and gently push the ice pick end of the test light in to the negative terminal of the battery. If the light illuminates, then there is a draw on the battery. Be sure to wait awhile for any intermit draws; a few minutes should be more than enough.
 

vawn69

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Re: checking for a draw of power

I have not have time yet but let me try that..thanks for all that replied
 
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