Gun control in Australia c&p

Dunaruna

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So there's no crime in Australia? Wow, must be nice...

Of coarse there is crime in Australia, the evening news is full of it.

I live in the burbs and my friends and neighbors are good people and yes - it's nice :)
 

Dunaruna

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If there is still crime how is one not threatened? I don't live in a bad neighborhood, there's been one murder in my town in the last decade, but I've got a loaded .45 next to my bed just in case. There are nut jobs waiting to kill/rob/rape you EVERYWHERE, including australia.

I can't explain why I don't feel threatened, I just don't.

One thing I don't understand though, why would you live in a place that is threatening to you and your family? (I don't mean you personally, I mean 'you' in a general sense)
 

KeltonKrew

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It's a big issue, but for me the only answer is that I wish just one of those 35 innocent people had a gun and was a good shot . . .

exact reason I have a conceal permit and carry wherever I go....If you see me, assume I have it....cause 99.9% I do unless it's a govt office where I can't carry.....

thugs don't know I have it and you could never tell.....but trust me, it's there and hot!
 

tommays

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You are supposed to leave the wepon in a secure place when it is not on your person which can make it kind of hard to keep it away from children yet ready for and intruder

And as offen as not at least here FAR more people shoot family members they mistake for inturders than anything else :eek:

Tommays
 

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If someone tells me to kneel and pray to their religion....I say, no way...and I don't care if they are Jewish, Muslim, Baptist, Anglican, whatever.....no way, no day.
The only ones that are going to be forcing you to kneel and pray will be those terrorists that the libs love to support so much.
 

KeltonKrew

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You are supposed to leave the wepon in a secure place when it is not on your person which can make it kind of hard to keep it away from children yet ready for and intruder

And as offen as not at least here FAR more people shoot family members they mistake for inturders than anything else :eek:

Tommays

I have a case that the lock mechanism is set up to my fingers length. I can get in it in about 2 seconds..... I've had everyone try to get in it...only one that can is my dad..

my kids and wife (and guest when they stay at the lake) know I have it and if my kids wander in the night, if they hear me rumble, they make sure vocally I know it's them.

not worried too much about intrudes while sleeping cause of my dogs..they'd let me know....it's when I'm away from my house is where the threats are!
 

pjc

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I don't buy into the 'get rid of all guns debate'....that makes no sense. Certain firearms tho', particularly handguns...is a trickier issue. Assault weapons...definitely.

The term "assault weapons" has become so misunderstood by the general public that the terms use has become irresponsible and irrelevant.

Assault weapons by design are select fire: semi-auto, full auto, or burst, battle rifles. Not the semi-auto clones of true assault rifles. No distinction here between a tradional sporting semi-auto shotgun, center fire rifle, or a AK47 or HKG3 clone.

1) Gun control means hitting your target

2) An armed society is a polite society
 

OldMercsRule

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I can't explain why I don't feel threatened, I just don't.

Ya know Dunaruna, I also live (and always have lived) in a fairly secure fairly low crime area, and even though I have a corncealed carry permit, I very rarely pack. I have always been relatively fearless, (and sometimes have had to get spanked for that stand yer ground attitude I tend to have). Maybe it's a knowledge that I can deal with what ever comes my way that I tend to approach life with that also makes me a proud non victim Cornservative. I have had to ponder deadly force twice in my life that if I was not prepared would have been costly, (glad I had the gun, and nothing happend because I had it) IMHO.

One thing I don't understand though, why would you live in a place that is threatening to you and your family?

RR island has been in my family, (I now own it with my brother), since the late 1950's. A small agricultural based town north of Seattle not far from RR island that I frequently travel to has had a growing "Latio gang" problem over the last ten years or so, (largely a cornsequence of the very Liberal state I live in making it easy for illegals to get drivers licences and other legal ID docs). BTW: police are not allowed to raise immigration status when they stop people here in this very Liberal state either. I've previously stated that Libs and Dems intentionally set us up to fail so they can gain more power fixin' the problems their policies have caused, and this is a perfect example.

So I guess I should sell my family's beautifull property and move to Montana n' hide, where an axe murderer could pay my unarmed family a visit? Not my style. I've never run from other things, and I'm to old to learn to run now. I've lived me life sucessfully with a "prepare for the worst n' hope for the best" attitude and plan to corntinue that trend 'till I bite the dust.

Once you have had two trouble saving experiences where a firearm made trouble unwise in the eyes of the bad guys I was confronting, (as I have personnaly had), it cornvinces me to always have an "equalizing" option available, (safely stored and relatively accessable). It will not save me or my loved ones from someone who pulls out a gun and shoots me, (or lays in wait to get the drop on me), but if I have a little warning n' time to react, I will be a real problem for anyone who wants to punch my ticket or the tickets of my loved ones.

(I don't mean you personally, I mean 'you' in a general sense)

I don't cornsider myself or others who feel as I do to be, knuckle draging paranoid fools with a hair trigger. If you and your family happened to be in this Country, and happend to be openly confronted with a very bad potential outcome that I saw and could help you respond to, you may change yer mind about the practicality of me pullin' out my cannon n' letting the bad dudes know there was a serious cornsequence fer their contemplated actions.

I have no problem with your views, many here share your philosophy, (as they are free to share and live by). I only have a problem when those who feel like you do try to take the "self evident" rights that have been endowed by my "Creator" away from me. Real simple.

Let me do what I do as it does not hurt you at all, and you follow your own ways as well.


Asside: I know we live in different Countries with different attitudes about guns and "God given Rights": Dunaruma. I also know I'm using yer "why would you ever cornsider living in a place when yer soooooo afraid?" (NOT A DIRECT QUOTE), type of challange to hammer a point home that may mean nothing to you. Please forgive my use of yer challange to make what I cornsider to be a logical point to me fellow Countrymen n' women who may get to vote fer a pol who wants to put a black robed tyrant on the bench to change the intrepretation of the "living breathing document" that assures my fundamental rights. Respectfully JR
 

artburr

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You haven't heard from me in a while so here is some red meat: I think that the NRA should be listed as a subversive organization!
 

OldMercsRule

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You haven't heard from me in a while so here is some red meat: I think that the NRA should be listed as a subversive organization!

Hey Art! Good to hear from ya. Methinks yer a good guy! Do ya wanna start a wing down at Gitmo fer people like ol' Murky who happens ta like me God given rights? (Free speech, assembly, n' gun ownership) :D:D:D JR
 

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Guns a beautiful devices, an a kitchen knife is to. bot are used to kill people.
so why no forbid both :confused:

its better to get taxes on shells 10000 dollar for a shell, i wanna kill you but i ain't got the money for it ;)

In Holland you can only own a gun when you are a member of a shooting club.
they check if you aren't a criminal.
I might be a good idea but there are still criminals who own guns, so i don't know maybe i would be better every body owns a gun so you can defend your own property..
 

jbjennings

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The Australians have been the best and most reliable ally to the United States of America throughout our history. My compliments to your country and its citizens. I would just like to say that our right to bear arms was not amended to our constitution for sporting purposes. It was stated as a right of the people to protect themselves, plain and simple. Whether it be from a criminal or from a tyrannical government. We see all over the world in other countries what happens when people lose their right to protection by arming themselves. I truly pray that you never learn how valuable this right is.
jbjennings
 

Boomyal

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Guns a beautiful devices, an a kitchen knife is to. bot are used to kill people.
so why no forbid both :confused:

its better to get taxes on shells 10000 dollar for a shell, i wanna kill you but i ain't got the money for it ;)

In Holland you can only own a gun when you are a member of a shooting club.
they check if you aren't a criminal.
I might be a good idea but there are still criminals who own guns, so i don't know maybe i would be better every body owns a gun so you can defend your own property..

Turin, how many years have these restrictions been in place?
 

ZmOz

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One thing I don't understand though, why would you live in a place that is threatening to you and your family? (I don't mean you personally, I mean 'you' in a general sense)

Well, like I said, if there is crime, then you are threatened, at least vaguely so. There really isn't any place in the world you can go where there is no crime, there fore, a gun is always a handy device to have on hand. It's a tool, just like a hammer. (which, coincidentally, kills people too) I always keep a knife, a lighter, and a flashlight around too.

Do you exclusively trust your local emergency services to protect you and your family's life under all circumstances? I sure don't.
 

i386

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Not to be intentionally disrespectful or anything but the concept that God has given rights to Americans exclusively sounds like a big load of crap to me.:cool:

Having said that, I'll keep my guns thank you.
 

OldMercsRule

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Not to be intentionally disrespectful or anything but the concept that God has given rights to Americans exclusively sounds like a big load of crap to me.:cool:

Having said that, I'll keep my guns thank you.

I Take no disrespect i386! The plain language of the document that codifies the rights both you and I wish to keep is "the Creator". To me, (a liberal 'cafeteria' type Christian), and our Founding Fathers it very clearly means GOD. The rights codified are discribed as "self evident", that clearly would not be the case with a population of Muslims.

If you are agnostic (as I once was), or an Athiest then you need to define what "Creator" means to you. The fact is they, (the Founding Fathers), wanted to make VERY clear that the foundational rights were not open to compromise by Congress people, Tyrants in black robes, et al. THAT IS THE SIGNIFICANT POINT. I did not mean to insult non Christians/Jews/Muslims et al with the term: God. I want to make the valid point that the rights you and I have are not dirived from any Queen, King or ANY fellow human(s) that reside on this particular planet. They are SELF EVIDENT DIRECTLY ENDOWED FROM OUR CREATOR. Thats not "carp" that is actually purely fact: my man; and not an insignificant one at that!!!!! IM not so HO!! Respectfully, JR
 

i386

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I Take no disrespect i386! The plain language of the document that codifies the rights both you and I wish to keep is "the Creator". To me, (a liberal 'cafeteria' type Christian), and our Founding Fathers it very clearly means GOD. The rights codified are discribed as "self evident", that clearly would not be the case with a population of Muslims.

If you are agnostic (as I once was), or an Athiest then you need to define what "Creator" means to you. The fact is they, (the Founding Fathers), wanted to make VERY clear that the foundational rights were not open to compromise by Congress people, Tyrants in black robes, et al. THAT IS THE SIGNIFICANT POINT. I did not mean to insult non Christians/Jews/Muslims et al with the term: God. I want to make the valid point that the rights you and I have are not dirived from any Queen, King or ANY fellow human(s) that reside on this particular planet. They are SELF EVIDENT DIRECTLY ENDOWED FROM OUR CREATOR. Thats not "carp" that is actually purely fact: my man; and not an insignificant one at that!!!!! IM not so HO!! Respectfully, JR

My point is, if those are God given rights, then they are God given rights to all mankind. I don't believe God's policy is that American's should have guns, but Australians are different because of God's unique policy with the US. The Document is not the New Testament Part II. The fact that we may fight for those rights where others may not is irrelevant in the context in which I make my point.

So one could say, hey you Aussies get off your duffs and fight for your guns. We believe everyone should have that right.

But if I understand your perspective you say well we get to keep ours because we're special in the eyes of God, you Aussies otoh are not.
 

jbjennings

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Sorry about that one Canadian, I should have put one of the best. poor choice of words on my part--not the first time as you've probably noticed. I hope you don't let your gun rights get away from you--lately I've been kind of worried, and for myself also. One of the worst pictures I've ever seen was the Aussie officials using a chop saw to cut in half a beautiful browning auto-5 shotgun. Sickening.
jbj
 

OldMercsRule

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My point is, if those are God given rights, then they are God given rights to all mankind. I don't believe God's policy is that American's should have guns, but Australians are different because of God's unique policy with the US. The Document is not the New Testament Part II. The fact that we may fight for those rights where others may not is irrelevant in the context in which I make my point.

So one could say, hey you Aussies get off your duffs and fight for your guns. We believe everyone should have that right.

But if I understand your perspective you say well we get to keep ours because we're special in the eyes of God, you Aussies otoh are not.

i386. I don't know if you are intentionally butchering what I said or not. I made the very simple statement that in this GREAT COUNTRY: THE USA, our rights are codified to come from our Creator. They are not subject to the Queen, King, an Emperor, Dictator, Congress, Parlament, Tyrants in black robes et al. That does not say we as Americans are better then anyone, but our system with regards to our FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS IS BETTER THEN ANY OTHER SYSTEM ON THIS PLANET. Hope this is clear this time. Respectfully, JR
 
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