Do democrats want the surge to succeed.. Not!

Plainsman

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Change my mind about him, I'm listening...
jbj

Bet he wished he hadn't said that :p:D:D:D
 

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I apologize if I misquoted you in any way. Please feel free to point out where I was in error. Other than your words, what else can we make a determination of your positions on?

But based on what you say, and I am not a President Bush fan by any stretch, and I have brought up his complete lack of investment in getting his nominations through the liberal blockade on numerous occasions, what would any thinking person conclude?

A) Hate President Bush... Not dislike, hate. You voted for a socialist.
B) War is lost... I guess you haven't been reading lately.
C) Seem to disapprove of homeland security based on the purchase of a boat.


What I like about President Bush includes his appointment of the finest, absolutely the finest supreme court nominee's in my lifetime. He took an economy in recession and turned it into the greatest economy ever. He sticks up for his friends and has brought dignity back to the office. Lybia surrendered without a shot, he stuck to his guns regarding Korean whack job ILL, we haven't been attacked since 9/11, he exposed the UN for the frauds and theives that they are without saying one word, he implemented tax cuts, he put forth a program to make our schools accountable, France and Germany are coming around to HIS way of thinking, he respects the military and refuses to call our troops Nazi's, he refused to make a persons sexual preferences an issue when it came to hiring his staff - in fact stuck up for his principals in the face of an easy decision to throw they guy overboard, he is respectful of the government provided staff, he wants to win the war - liberals don't, the media hates him, and on and on and on.

President Bush rubs me the wrong way with the things he doesn't do, not what he has done.

you two fellows are much too eager to label someone a liar, fraud,and what else have you called me, a socialist? Although I'm not an expert at explaining all my thoughts clearly, I certainly am none of the above but luckily, am not worried too much about your opinions of me especially in light of the way you "chat". Have I once said that I didn't like all of Gw's appointments? I am, as you are, displeased with the fact that he doesn't seem to be getting them through the "liberal blockade" as you put it and the once rep. majority in the senate is not doing their part to help him. I'm thinking that anytime you see someone say something negative about Bush, you go on autopilot to bash them. There are a couple of appointments that he's made that I don't like such as the one that's taking all the heat. The majority I'm fairly pleased with. What happened to Ashcroft and many many other fine people that Bush chose that later have resigned? At least you did mention several things that you're pleased about him and I have to admit, even though I have come to dislike him, his tax cuts were of course the right thing and did help the economy. He does seem to stick by his people even under a lot of heat. I think you'll find that if I actually make any more posts in this forum that I am not a liberal, socialist, democrat, liar, etc. I just don't like the "war" in Iraq and do feel that a 300% increase in the price of oil during his term is more than a little suspect. I am totally against the dems plans for socializing the health care system, their ideas of big government, constant efforts to overtax the people, gun control, etc. This, by the way, is the only forum, chat room, or whatever you call it that I've ever been on. I only got on this one to get some help fixing my 9.8 merc motor. If this is how it goes with name calling and bashing of different viewpoints, I think not only myself but others as well will be a little leery of posting their thoughts on any subject. Is what you want a bunch of yes men to pat you on the back and tell you how right you are on your every opinion? I try to think when someone has a different opinion than I do that every once in a while, they might have something. Maybe that's what happens here, differing opinions are sent packing with nothing but a bunch of name calling. Fine by me. I'll stop by ever so often to chuckle at your clever comments and see some of the other posters exploits.
have fun chatting,
jbj
 

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you two fellows are much too eager to label someone a liar, fraud,and what else have you called me, a socialist? Although I'm not an expert at explaining all my thoughts clearly, I certainly am none of the above but luckily, am not worried too much about your opinions of me especially in light of the way you "chat". Have I once said that I didn't like all of Gw's appointments? I am, as you are, displeased with the fact that he doesn't seem to be getting them through the "liberal blockade" as you put it and the once rep. majority in the senate is not doing their part to help him. I'm thinking that anytime you see someone say something negative about Bush, you go on autopilot to bash them. There are a couple of appointments that he's made that I don't like such as the one that's taking all the heat. The majority I'm fairly pleased with. What happened to Ashcroft and many many other fine people that Bush chose that later have resigned? At least you did mention several things that you're pleased about him and I have to admit, even though I have come to dislike him, his tax cuts were of course the right thing and did help the economy. He does seem to stick by his people even under a lot of heat. I think you'll find that if I actually make any more posts in this forum that I am not a liberal, socialist, democrat, liar, etc. I just don't like the "war" in Iraq and do feel that a 300% increase in the price of oil during his term is more than a little suspect. I am totally against the dems plans for socializing the health care system, their ideas of big government, constant efforts to overtax the people, gun control, etc. This, by the way, is the only forum, chat room, or whatever you call it that I've ever been on. I only got on this one to get some help fixing my 9.8 merc motor. If this is how it goes with name calling and bashing of different viewpoints, I think not only myself but others as well will be a little leery of posting their thoughts on any subject. Is what you want a bunch of yes men to pat you on the back and tell you how right you are on your every opinion? I try to think when someone has a different opinion than I do that every once in a while, they might have something. Maybe that's what happens here, differing opinions are sent packing with nothing but a bunch of name calling. Fine by me. I'll stop by ever so often to chuckle at your clever comments and see some of the other posters exploits.
have fun chatting,
jbj

I don't think it's anything personal jbj. It's just that folks are taken to task here at times. The dems do it as well. But if you post an opinion, expect someone else to have an opposite view and question you on it.
Murky, Pointers,QC and 12 are very articulate as well as tree, Willy, pw and many others. I am more of a get to the point kind of person.

I have been "beaten up" more than once. :)

Stick around and you'll see it's not so bad.
 

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I don't think it's anything personal jbj. It's just that folks are taken to task here at times. The dems do it as well. But if you post an opinion, expect someone else to have an opposite view and question you on it.
Murky, Pointers,QC and 12 are very articulate as well as tree, Willy, pw and many others. I am more of a get to the point kind of person.

I have been "beaten up" more than once. :)

Stick around and you'll see it's not so bad.

I think I've learned my lesson.
thanks for the message.
jbj
 

Skinnywater

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OK, hairsplitting time, in my inexpert opinion ?sleazy and slimy ?could be applied currently, to both parties (note italics). So, who has been in control of both the House, and Senate for the majority of the time the last seven years? ??The so called Republicans, they take? sleazy and slimy to new heights. Inept?. Socialist? I guess that depends upon ones perspective doesn?t it?

"Sleazy and slimy" can be applied to both partys at one point or another and that is about all that is a matter of perspective.
Taking incompetence to new heights is a far cry from being sleazy and slimy.
Wanting the surge to fail for political gain is taking sleaze and slime to new heights.
And being a socialist is a matter of fact.

Hollywood types??? Comeeon Skinny what party has been staring at Mt Rushmore, looking for a spot to put ?President Reagan ?(a Hollywood type), what party is scrambling, yes even praying, for a TV star too declare himself a candidate, so he can come charging in like the Calvary at the last minute and save the grand old party that has been stolen from them by this bunch of incompetents.

Please, you know the "Hollywood types" I'm refering to. Certainly not John Wayne, Gary Cooper, and the scores of actor WW2 vets. They knew what sleaze and slime is and treason.
They would recognise incompetence also and that might deserve protest and frustration, but it doesn't rise to the level of making your skin crawl.

Abortions? Personally I?m against them, as well as the tax structure as it stands now......If in anybody eyes that looks like a socialistic position so be it. I?ll just ask you to take the present misadminstrtion out of the equation, compare my words and then see, where I would be on the Political landscape, just might surprise some on the board. The presence of this group idiots sometimes skews my thought process so much it is hard for me to stay focused, just want them to be gone.

No, I'm not pointing fingers, I'm having an honest to goodness dialouge with you.
I'm not calling you socialist or a pro abortionist. I'm pointing out to you who you are supporting. You are supporting socialists, people who want partial-birth and abortion on demand (at taxpayer expense),and those that truely have taken the absolute worst to new levels.

If we take the present administration out of the equation the political landscape would not surprise most on this board. And it shouldn't surprise you either.
I don't want to replace this administration with a socialist one, competent or otherwise.

Is incompetence worse then socialism, moral decay and all we've witnessed from the worst in the democrat party?
 

Skinnywater

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you two fellows are much too eager to label someone a liar, fraud,and what else have you called me, a socialist? Although I'm not an expert at explaining all my thoughts clearly, I certainly am none of the above but luckily, am not worried too much about your opinions of me especially in light of the way you "chat". Have I once said that I didn't like all of Gw's appointments? I am, as you are, displeased with the fact that he doesn't seem to be getting them through the "liberal blockade" as you put it and the once rep. majority in the senate is not doing their part to help him. I'm thinking that anytime you see someone say something negative about Bush, you go on autopilot to bash them. There are a couple of appointments that he's made that I don't like such as the one that's taking all the heat. The majority I'm fairly pleased with. What happened to Ashcroft and many many other fine people that Bush chose that later have resigned? At least you did mention several things that you're pleased about him and I have to admit, even though I have come to dislike him, his tax cuts were of course the right thing and did help the economy. He does seem to stick by his people even under a lot of heat. I think you'll find that if I actually make any more posts in this forum that I am not a liberal, socialist, democrat, liar, etc. I just don't like the "war" in Iraq and do feel that a 300% increase in the price of oil during his term is more than a little suspect. I am totally against the dems plans for socializing the health care system, their ideas of big government, constant efforts to overtax the people, gun control, etc. This, by the way, is the only forum, chat room, or whatever you call it that I've ever been on. I only got on this one to get some help fixing my 9.8 merc motor. If this is how it goes with name calling and bashing of different viewpoints, I think not only myself but others as well will be a little leery of posting their thoughts on any subject. Is what you want a bunch of yes men to pat you on the back and tell you how right you are on your every opinion? I try to think when someone has a different opinion than I do that every once in a while, they might have something. Maybe that's what happens here, differing opinions are sent packing with nothing but a bunch of name calling. Fine by me. I'll stop by ever so often to chuckle at your clever comments and see some of the other posters exploits.
have fun chatting,
jbj

Probabaly one of the best posts this year.
 

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I frequently reread my posts and feel I have been too vigorous in the presentation of my belief's. This would not be an example of that. At no point did I label him a liar, socialist, or a fraud. Stating that I have, is a sanctimonious attempt to reach some moral high ground.

I did however, point out what are inconsistancies within his presented thoughts. He has the ability to clairify, dispite his claim as to not being articulate in his ability at presenting his thoughts. A person misunderstood usually attempts to set the record straight.

Fair winds to Mr. Jennings wherever he may go. But wherever he goes, he goes there for his own reasons and not because I sent him away. That is a responsibility I do not accept and I resent being the target of his own inadequecies.
 

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What the "D" stands for.
 

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It appears we have a new user that jumped-in both feet... The only wat to do it, JbJ. Welcome to the forum. By reading some of your posts, I have formed an opinion of you. Hey --- everybody does it, man.
We do not allow "namecalling" here. As for the "bashing of viewpoints", that, we reserve for dockside chat. You got a problem with your boat floating?? Wrong forum for that. We talk about the war on islamic terror and the price of fuel here in Dockside Chat. You think you're a liberal? You haven't met Treedancer or PW2 yet :D To them, you'd be right of John McCaine.
Sounds to me like some of the conservative membership just "initiated" you.
You crossed an equator.

It gets hot here, JbJ. But you'll find some in total agreement with you, as well as a neocon like me who don't, and we all welcome you. But you gotta take that "bath on the fantail" before you can be called a "shellback". Hmmm. You'd tihnk I just "called you a name", wouldn't you? Not yet -- but do keep trying. :)
 

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This post has been great fun. I urge jbj to keep sharing his opinions, but he never addressed the original point of this post. The Dems do want us to fail in Iraq, not because they don't like war (Kosovo?), they know that failure will bring them power. Desire for power and a hatred of our President define todays Democratic party - it's sad.

Tree - all the supporters of the Fair Tax (I'm one - was at the Columbia rally) that I know are conservative, what's up?
 

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Quote rickster


What the "D" stands for.


They must have changed it, I thought with this administration it stood for deferment.:confused:
 

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Gees, fellows, do you really think we can force those middle-easterners to get along with each other enough to have a democratic form of government?

Ever been to France? Germany? Japan?

Yea, we forced them all to have a democratic form of gov't and now their countries are strong because of it.

Have any clue how many Americans (and allies) died to make those countries what they are today?

Hint: We were in Germany for about 50 years post WW2.
 

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Quote rickster


What the "D" stands for.


They must have changed it, I thought with this administration it stood for deferment.:confused:
It is in reference to Democrats.
 

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'D' is for a ding-a-lings?
 

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Skinny I believe if you look into the closet of any politician you will find two well worn, and frayed, sweaters labeled ?sleazy and slimy? hanging side by side. Whether a (D, R or I), wear them, in the eyes of this jaded old truck driver, the sweater fits all,as long as they take campaign funds from special interest groups/lobbyist.

Again perspective raises its ugly head, with the statement that ?being a socialist is a matter of fact?. When looking at some of the tactics of this administration, warrentless wiretaps, revoke the posse comitatus act (H.R.5122), hold American Citizens without charges indefinitely, I could go on for several pages, im sure you get the idea.

Not to be satisfied with those fascist tactics, they and their minions are still ripping their opponents war record almost four years after the election. In spite of the fact that the lies have been disproved, still ripping on him. I guess some of them have been spouting the propaganda so long they are actually starting to believe it themselves, that or they got an E-mail from ?Rover? saying keep the pressure on boys, we have a steep hill to climb to get us out of this hole we dug. So when looking at any kind of political stance from that perspective, any political party short of pure fascism could be viewed as socialist.

The Duke, also know as ?John Wayne,? born Winterset Iowa in 1907, his name that his parents gave him was ?Marion Robert Morrison?. When he was four years old the family moved to Ca. when he graduated from Glendale High School, he applied too, and was turned down, by the Air Force Academy. He went to that old liberal standby USC, and majored on Pre law. Duke was 34 when WW2 started.
technically too old, but some of the other Stars his age managed to get in so will let you decide with this link and snip.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne

<<He remained (2-A) until the war's end. John Wayne clearly did not "dodge" the draft, in the sense of illegal or dishonest action, but he nonetheless never took direct positive action toward enlistment.>>

As for Gary Cooper, born in 1901 too young for ww1, too old for ww2, here is a quote he made in 1958


<<"I feel very strongly that actors haven't any business at all to shoot their faces off about things I know we know very little about." (1958>>


Some of the so-called actors of today should abide by that sage advice.



Skinny it seems you are mixing up roles the actors play, not trying to take anything away from any of the roles that Duke, played or Coop, both very entertaining and convincing ?Actors?.

This quote from you boils this whole dialogue down to its essence.

<< Is incompetence worse then socialism, moral decay and all we've witnessed from the worst in the democrat party? >>

Incompetence is worse than socialism,. if it is replaced by fascism. We are in theory, trying to promote Democracy. By turning the screws of fascism on our own citizens???

Comon Skinny I realize the right ?was ?trying to take the higher moral ground until it started getting a bit rough, so they started screaming about abortion, again, the old stand by. Look at there candidates; you surely don?t want to inventory the perverts of both parties? do you?
 

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Treedancer, the Duke and Coop and others who were actor vets were plenty different and had savvy enough to know a creep when they saw one. Rather then todays Hollywood who promote skin crawling expeditions.
That was the point and my posted meaning.

You know I'm not going to give even satisfactory praises for the Republicans or Democrats.
Again I'll state in my opinion BOTH the current Republicans and Democrats are destroying this country. But it is the Democrats that are on an agenda to do it quickly. I'll vote Republican if for no other reason then to buy time.

"Incompetence is worse than socialism,. if it is replaced by fascism. We are in theory, trying to promote Democracy. By turning the screws of fascism on our own citizens???"

It would be improper to assume facism wouldn't be possible in a socialist state. In a socialist state it's likely to be intentional rather then by accident from incompetence. The very things you made example of "warrentless wiretaps, revoke the posse comitatus act (H.R.5122), hold American Citizens without charges indefinitely" argueably done incompetently were recognised by the high court as unConstitutional and corrected.
More accurately though would be the above was a bona fide reaction to 9/11.

Still more accurate is who you support. I (not they)brought up abortion and other disgusting policys of those you are supporting.

And still I'm trying to understand how 8 years of incompetence of argueable degree can trump a whole future of socialism, moral decay, partial birth/late term on demand murder, higher taxes, and evil behaviour such as treason, and supporting a one sided political agenda over an on-going war effort.
Incompetence is still likely with the same group you defend.
Most certainly a terrific long shot from the "We are in theory, trying to promote Democracy." you speak of.
 

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Well stated SW. If only the blind could see.
 

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you two fellows are much too eager to label someone a liar, fraud,and what else have you called me, a socialist? Although I'm not an expert at explaining all my thoughts clearly, I certainly am none of the above but luckily, am not worried too much about your opinions of me especially in light of the way you "chat". Have I once said that I didn't like all of Gw's appointments?

jbj: Skinny thinks this was "one of the best posts of the year", I don't happen to agree with him, (Skinny and I frequently dissagree as you may correctly suspect) but: what the hay? Different strokes for different folks, I say. I only have another internet poster's words to go by, (as I surely don't know you personally n' Lord knows I can't read minds as many here think they can) n' me eyeballs, n' me single brain cell. Now this is what you said earlier:

"I am a republican but can think of not one thing that gw has done that I'm pleased with."

In this post that Skinny likes soo much you say: "Have I once said that I didn't like all of Gw's appointments?".

Now if me eyeballs or brain cell did not function I could let that obvious contradiction go, because both function I did not. You seem like a bright fella, n' some of yer posts make good sense. That said, you are a "Republican" who does not think gw has done "one thing right" that voted for the biggest vote getting traitor in American History in 2004: John F Kerry. You are what you think you are, but you are the most inconsistent poster I've stumbled accross here down on DC. My beef with Libs is that they are very disingenious. They talked real tough on 9/12/2001 and rushed to commit us in the collossal struggle against Islamo Facists. The minute they smelled a shift in attitude they exploited the well known fact that Americans all hate war, (some wars are necessary). They then helped the Islamo Facists as they corntinue to do right now. I don't see much difference in how you approach the world. What say you? JR


I am, as you are, displeased with the fact that he doesn't seem to be getting them through the "liberal blockade" as you put it and the once rep. majority in the senate is not doing their part to help him. I'm thinking that anytime you see someone say something negative about Bush, you go on autopilot to bash them. There are a couple of appointments that he's made that I don't like such as the one that's taking all the heat. The majority I'm fairly pleased with. What happened to Ashcroft and many many other fine people that Bush chose that later have resigned? At least you did mention several things that you're pleased about him and I have to admit, even though I have come to dislike him, his tax cuts were of course the right thing and did help the economy. He does seem to stick by his people even under a lot of heat. I think you'll find that if I actually make any more posts in this forum that I am not a liberal, socialist, democrat, liar, etc. I just don't like the "war" in Iraq and do feel that a 300% increase in the price of oil during his term is more than a little suspect. I am totally against the dems plans for socializing the health care system, their ideas of big government, constant efforts to overtax the people, gun control, etc. This, by the way, is the only forum, chat room, or whatever you call it that I've ever been on. I only got on this one to get some help fixing my 9.8 merc motor. If this is how it goes with name calling and bashing of different viewpoints, I think not only myself but others as well will be a little leery of posting their thoughts on any subject. Is what you want a bunch of yes men to pat you on the back and tell you how right you are on your every opinion? I try to think when someone has a different opinion than I do that every once in a while, they might have something. Maybe that's what happens here, differing opinions are sent packing with nothing but a bunch of name calling. Fine by me. I'll stop by ever so often to chuckle at your clever comments and see some of the other posters exploits.
have fun chatting,
jbj

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wolf in sheeps clothing
 

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Quote Skinnywater


Skinny your point on the ?Duke and Coop? was understood by me. The point I was attempting to make was they were actors, no different than the ones you hold in contempt today. The only difference is there is more media coverage today, as apposed to when ?John Wayne and Gary Cooper? Were stars. Plus the fact that you don?t agree with most there politics.



Im not to happy with either the Democrats, or the Republicans, but evidently im not as pessimistic as you on this country going to hell in a hand basket, because of the Democrats. Not going to regurgitate the economic mess this administration has gotten us in the last six and a half years, nor point out that they invaded a country on a bunch of lies. I,ll just say if you and I, on election day would meet and have a cup of coffee, we could save ourselves a trip too the polling place, as our votes will surely cancel each others out, At least on the National level.



Not going to get into a long drawn out argument about fascism, versus socialism, in my opinion we have a better chance of slipping into a fascist state, then a socialist state.


In regards to your statement about warrentless wiretaps, posse comitatus act (H.R.5122), hold American Citizens without charges indefinitely, being recognized by the high court as unConstitutional and corrected. I?ll only say this Goggle is your friend.


( H.R. 5122+ October 17, 2006+President Bush)


(AVLU vNSA+July 6 2006)


Again I will state that I don?t have the degree of pessimism that you have in a Democratic President, if we should be so fortunate as have one in the next national election.(he-he made everybody gag didn?t I:D)after all what was the effect of having Clinton for president for eight years ?Balanced budget, didn?t invade any country that didn?t attack us.
 
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