Another Wake Story...

dickenscpa

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I posted this on a local forum I participate in so I apologize in advance for a double reading.

I have a 14' Tri-hull fiberglass bassboat that I bought on the cheap and fixed up. I wanted to make sure my 4 yr old who just turned 5 wasn't in a fad. My son, wife and I go fishing on the river Saturday morning. A LOT of traffic and I noticed my son had a death grip on his chair so I went back closer to the dock. We ate lunch, went home and I went out by myself later that afternoon.

Get to the dock and there's this guy I briefly met a coupla months ago. He has a big shiny bass boat with a 175 on it. Neither remembered the other's name, but he offered to show me a "secret" spot way up the river. I told him I couldn't keep up with my 1973 40HP. He said not to worry he wasn't in a hurry.

We launch in the backwater off the main channel. Half way out of the backwater he stops and motions for me to come up a bit to tell me something. I put my boat on idle and I'm sitting in his 4 or 5 o'clock position. He finishes telling me something and loweres the hammer on his throttle. Within a split second he creates some kind of seismic and demonic wave and my boat flops hard right and takes water over the side and immediately flops left and takes a bit more water and then you hear the bottom smack the water. To say it terrified me would be a tremendous understatement.

I decided to go ahead and follow him and I stayed right behind him in between the two wakes he produced. The middle was very calm. However, when we got on the main channel, every boat we passed or got passed by created a wake that hit his wake and I was at its mercy.

He finally slowed down to tell me something else. He got angry with me that I wouldn't come up beside him. I lost it and told him he almost killed me back there. I could tell by his expression that it was unintentional and he fell all over himself apologizing. He said he didn't realize he had that effect on my boat. I believe he was sorry but none the less I asked him to slowly pull away from me, I was going home. I had a long way back to the dock and I had never been that far out on my boat before. So much traffic and so many wakes, I was terrified. I know I checked the straps on my PFD a million times.

On a good note. I rebuilt that old 1973 Mercury with the help of you guys on this site. I'm not sure I'd ever touched an outboard before. It ran flawlessly and got me home.

OTOH, what makes my boat so susceptible to even a small wake. The length or is that a notorious trait of a tri-hull? I know a lot of other people with 14' and some 10-12' that have to finesse the wake, but don't have nearly the trouble my boat has. When I know a wave is coming, I position myself at a 45 deg angle and ride it out. None of the other people I know with smaller boats have a tri-hull though. I thought maybe that had something to do with it. If there's any other traffic at all, I can't even make a short jaunt down the main channel for fear of being swamped. I have an opportunity to get a late 90's Lowe welded aluminum that's 16'3". Would it make that much of a difference?
 

sdunt

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Re: Another Wake Story...

Is your boat weighed down with wet foam under the floor?
 

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Sorry about your incident but all's well that end's well - I guess. Yea, those tri-hull boats are not the best for taking wakes or waves. With the three sponson configuration they will always give you a rough and tumble ride. Too much stuff going on under the boat. Any boat with a V hull will most definately be a better ride while under way. You might loose a tad bit of stability while stopped but other than that there is no reason not to go with the 'V' configuration.
Please do what sdunt asks and check your inner hull. Don't be too surprised at what you might find.
 

wvit1001

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Your not going to sink from a little water splashing over the sides. A boats not like a car, they rock and roll as they ride up and down the waves. You also have to keep an eye out for other boats coming at you from all directions. On a crowded lake the ride is rough at speed and sometimes it's rough even at idle.

Some people aren't wired to handle all that well. I've got a friend who panics driving across a bridge, she will never sit foot in a boat. Maybe you aren't cut out for boating.
 

tommays

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A lot of it is just the learning curve My parents first boat was a 12' homemade wood with a 5.5 outboard

We were fine with it it might have scared you?

There BIG boat was a 16' tri-hull and yes it did take plenty of water over the bow from wakes and my wife hated it


But learning the speeds the boat can handle in different conditions and the best way to cross wakes will come with time ;)



Tommays
 

dickenscpa

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Is your boat weighed down with wet foam under the floor?

You know part of my project restoration of this boat was fixing the fiberglass on the hull. I read up on it and cut a section of floor out to fix it from the top side. I was very surprised to not find wet foam. I was more surprised to find no foam at all. There is absolutely no foam in my boat. I raised this question on another forum some time ago and the response was that a lot of older boats had no foam.
 

dickenscpa

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Your not going to sink from a little water splashing over the sides. A boats not like a car, they rock and roll as they ride up and down the waves. You also have to keep an eye out for other boats coming at you from all directions. On a crowded lake the ride is rough at speed and sometimes it's rough even at idle.

Some people aren't wired to handle all that well. I've got a friend who panics driving across a bridge, she will never sit foot in a boat. Maybe you aren't cut out for boating.

I hope this response doesn't come across as defensive. I didn't take your post as a slap, I took it as you were being honest and giving your opinion and I appreciated your take on it. I may not have been very descriptive in my original post. I didn't just take on a little water over the sides. Sinking wasn't really what initially scared me. Well, sinking from taking on water. I almost completely swamped. The TM battery that banged each side of my boat hitting me in the head is what scared me. As long as I'm conscious, going into the water holds no fear for me. A boat capsizing and knocking me unconscious is a different story.

I don't think it's necessarily that I'm not cut out for boating, I'm just not cut out for this boat. Granted sitting right on that guys tail at his 4 or 5 o'clock wasn't the smartest thing I've ever done. However, when we took off from the dock, he didn't hammer it like that. I wasn't expecting it, but probably should have expected the unexpected. Living in eastern middle Tennessee and having a wife that LOVES rafting. We raft the Ocoee quite regularly. I've kayaked it numerous times. Turbulence or taking on a bit of water doesn't concern me that much getting capsized does. I bought the boat because my son loves to fish so 9 out of 10 times he would have been there with me.

I've noticed quite a few responses between this forum and another that tri-hull gets mentioned. Having no prior experience with a tri-hull I never gave it a second thought. Even if I stay in the calm backwater the boats coming and leaving the dock pass me. Although it's not something that terrifies me it gets tiring trying to fish and constantly positioning myself for the coming wave. This isn't my first boat, just my first with an outboard motor. My Dad and I use to fish this exact water in a little jon boat with two bench seats. It would dip a bit, take a little water, but mostly rode the waves. I used to have a canoe back in the day that felt more stable than this thing.

I could very possibly have something structurally wrong with the boat that I can't figure out. When it sits in the water, the starboard side sits NOTICEABLY lower in the water. If it's tied to the courtesy dock and no one's in it, I can look straight down it and the starboard side is considerably lower. The battery is on the starboard side and the gas tank is on the port side. Switching these up or putting both on the port side has no bearing. Maybe that's something I should have questioned here earlier?

I think I just talked myself into a new boat!LOL!
 

darrklim2

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It sounds to me like you have a water-logged boat. Foam floatation material in the sub-floor is wet. IMO :)
 

Nova II 260

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I'm with darrklim2. If you are waterlogged, you're extra heavy, sit deeper in the water and you won't float and bob on top of the waves. More like a loaded river barge. Waves tend to splash against you, instead of floating you on top. Does your boat plane OK? Does it list?
I have an opportunity to get a late 90's Lowe welded aluminum that's 16'3". Would it make that much of a difference?
With boats, size does matter. The Lowe will have totally different attitude in wakes, then your tri-hull. Not as stable on calm water, but much better in the rough. That would be my choice.
 

MrBigStuff

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Did you say the trolling motor battery was moving around and hit you in the head? That thing should be in a box and strapped down.

It's not your fault the guy almost swamped you. That was his responsibility. Most people would expect him to take off slow when so close to another boat.

My first boat was a 16' trihull. I learned to take wakes in that boat by the judicious use of the throttle. No way you could slam through the wakes, you had to throttle up and down as you took them.
 

dickenscpa

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I'm with darrklim2. If you are waterlogged, you're extra heavy, sit deeper in the water and you won't float and bob on top of the waves. More like a loaded river barge. Waves tend to splash against you, instead of floating you on top. Does your boat plane OK? Does it list? With boats, size does matter. The Lowe will have totally different attitude in wakes, then your tri-hull. Not as stable on calm water, but much better in the rough. That would be my choice.

That's some info I was looking for. The guy is somewhat a quasi friend and has offered to let me water test it no problem. He just lives a tad over 3 hours away so time is an issue. To be honest, I'd really like to do a water test on the water I'd be fishing. I know that's not always possible, but it'd be nice.
 

dickenscpa

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Did you say the trolling motor battery was moving around and hit you in the head? That thing should be in a box and strapped down.

It's not your fault the guy almost swamped you. That was his responsibility. Most people would expect him to take off slow when so close to another boat.

My first boat was a 16' trihull. I learned to take wakes in that boat by the judicious use of the throttle. No way you could slam through the wakes, you had to throttle up and down as you took them.

Oh no.LOL! It didn't hit me in the head. I was hypothesising a bad scenario.LOL! I have my TM battery in a battery box with a lid, strapped down during travel. However, when I hook the TM to the battery, the lid has to come off. Then I just run the strap over the top of the battery. The box had one screw going thru the bottom of the box and thru the strap and into the floor. It sits closer to the starboard side and that is the first direction I tilted. I got jerked to the other side so quickly, the screw pulled out of the floor and the battery slid to the port side and slammed into the side of the boat. When I slammed down flat it slid back and hit that side, although not as hard.
 

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The tri-hull configuration tends to ride up and over the wakes and waves where a deep V will cut through them. I have a tri-hull and on a windy day on Seneca Lake, NY it can be treacherous. 3' - 4' waves get it air borne. I have to take it a lot slower.
 

CharlesW

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I have an opportunity to get a late 90's Lowe welded aluminum that's 16'3". Would it make that much of a difference?
An unbelievable difference!
Not only will the deep vee handle the wake action better, the extra length will also be a big help.

Now, having said that. A small boat around big boats, wakes or waves can really take a pounding. We spent some time at LOTO with a 20' Slick Craft I/O and the wakes from some of those big cruisers tossed it around like a cork. We didn't take on any water, but it was still somewhat of a concern.
 

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I had a 1976 16ft. Glastron Tri-Hull and I did not experience what you guys are describing. I remember being in some 2-3 foot waves out on the puget sound one year in the middle of a storm (yes that was stupid) and I was surprised how well the boat did. I had a whole lotta splash coming up over the front windshield and took water over the bow a few times but I never felt like we were in danger. I have a 2008 Glastron V-Hull now and it seems more stable but the downside is that I could launch my old tri-Hull in alot less water. I had so many fisherman tell me "there is no way your gonna launch with this tide" I did it everytime with no problem, I swear that old boat only needed a foot of water and it was good to go.
 

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Some folk just do not realise the wake that they create. Some folk know the wake they create and act accordingly. Then there are the ones that know what the create and think it is funny to create havoc with smaller craft.
One nearly swamped us while we passed going through the buoys last year. It is a no wake zone unless there is no one else passing through then it is O.K. till the last one in or first one out depending which way you are going. The rule is to slow right down if someone else is passing through as well. 99% of the people abide by this. The guy that near swamped us and his crew thought it was hilarious as they passed...until the local authority boat stopped and ticketed them as they left the no wake area. The other amusing thing was that the boat owner / operator was charged with being impaired and taken away in the back of a waiting police cruiser.
Have not seen that guy or his boat since !!!!
 

CATransplant

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Some folk just do not realise the wake that they create. Some folk know the wake they create and act accordingly. Then there are the ones that know what the create and think it is funny to create havoc with smaller craft.
One nearly swamped us while we passed going through the buoys last year. It is a no wake zone unless there is no one else passing through then it is O.K. till the last one in or first one out depending which way you are going. The rule is to slow right down if someone else is passing through as well. 99% of the people abide by this. The guy that near swamped us and his crew thought it was hilarious as they passed...until the local authority boat stopped and ticketed them as they left the no wake area. The other amusing thing was that the boat owner / operator was charged with being impaired and taken away in the back of a waiting police cruiser.
Have not seen that guy or his boat since !!!!

Nice! Sometimes the right thing happens.
 

jtexas

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Tri-hull is about as stable a boat design as you'll find. I have a 15ft trihull with a 5 ft beam - I've been in water so rough from wind & wakes that, in the troughs I was looking up at the crests of the waves - you ocean guys will scoff, but on a lake (not a "Great Lake") that's dang big waves - never had to worry about capsizing. You can walk all round the boat on the gunnel and hardly tip it at all. of course, it hits waves hard, and the spray splashes up on you instead of getting directed out as with a v-hull.

Got any pics?

kennyfam I never heard of a "conditional" no-wake zone, is that some kind of Canadian invention?
 
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