Push Button shift

[T0M BAJ0REK]

OK, Ive read several threads, re this type of thing and was almost sure I would have found my answer.
Just bought a 1973 Starcraft aluminum 15 or 16 ft w/ Trailer and a nice 60 hp evinrude. I made a big stand and got the motor on there, also I reconnected the throttle/push button shifter and all seemed well.
This engine WAS winterized in 97 and though it was left uncovered, I believe it has very very few hours on it, by the look of the skeg etc.
SO,, I Hooked the harness back up, made up some good solid cables for power, and hooked it up to the battery. put it in neutral, turned the key and and ...NOTHING
Next I used the jumper cables and grounded the neg to a good solid ground and then w/ the other touched the pos wire on the starter. SHE turns over!!
The problem is, its in forward gear, and wont shift out. I NEED a wiring diagram. Though I read somewhere in here that evinrude changed their wiring from year to year etc. Could a neutral safety switch be holding me up? If so I dont see one.
In high school I took marine tech, and am omc/mercruiser certified, but that was so long ago. and I never have been up against this problem.
I am thinking that there may be solenoids in the lower unit. there are a total of 4 wires that run down there (that i can see).
Bottom line here: I sure could use a wiring diagram and cant find one anywhere on the web.
The Motor is an Evinrude 60HP Triumph model# 60173C. ( I would assume the last 2 #s represent the year 73) the serial # is 31287A.
I am in no rush. The boat needs a transom, and a floor. Needless to say I wont be out fishing this laborday weekend
can anyone help? Ill be happy to provide any more info. I am leery of what Ive read about the wiring changing from year to year.
I Intend to do this right. I would like to save the few dollars I have for any parts etc, and not blow 40 on a manual that will give me vague info about these things.

 

[tx1961whaler]

Re: Push Button shift

The OMC manual for the engine is very complete.
Look for it here at iBoats or here
http://www.outboardbooks.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=models.main&year=1971&ID=128259

Your motor appears to be a 1971

 

[freddyray21]

Re: Push Button shift

those default to forward and won't go into neutral until the motor starts. You starter could be a neutral switch which is I believe located in the box. It could also be a solenoid.

 

[jwbmarine]

Re: Push Button shift

I might add,those 3 button switches,are no longer avail,thru BRP..

 

[F_R]

Re: Push Button shift

Tom, that motor is shifted by hydraulic pressure, not electricity. The electric only works a pair of solenoid valves that control the oil flow. The hydraulic pressure is provided by an oil pump in the nose of the gearcase. If the motor is not running, the oil pump is not turning, and there is no oil pressure to shift it out of forward gear. It goes into forward automatically as a safety feature so you can get back home in event of any electric or hydraulic failure.

You might as well buy the factory service manual. You are obviously going to need it. They sell them here at iboats.

 

[T0M BAJ0REK]

Re: Push Button shift

Guess Ill have to get that manual. No one will be open 2day though so, I'm thinking I'll tear into the lower unit and check these solenoids. This motor is in such nice shape, It just sat so long. It wouldn't surprise me to find a sticky solenoid.
I am fairly confident that the problem is in the motor not the shifter. Ill keep you posted. I didnt think I would get any responses.
Any other info is welcome. Tips etc. And anyone w/ a wiring schematic (If you're out there) .
I have decided to sell my 12hp sea-bee on e-bay to fund project Evinrude here.
So check her out on e-bay item# . I started the bidding @ 250.00 because theres 1 on there incomplete for 600.00! Not that I expect to get that out of it.
Again thanks for your help.
Tom

 

[F_R]

Re: Push Button shift

WHY on God's Green Earth do you feel it necessary to tear into the solenoids after I just spent considerable time explaining to you how they work? Am I that unbelievable? I'm wasting my time around here.

 

[R.Johnson]

Re: Push Button shift

FR: At least your not dealing with a twin 50.

 

[T0M BAJ0REK]

Re: Push Button shift

hey sorry. I just was thinking that... please wait a minute, and help me out here. This is ALL really new to me. Whan I hooked up that connector, insite the motor the "A+N" connector... I used the pos and neg heavy wires to Jump it, I made extensions and as I said.... Nothing happened.
when I put 12 volts to the Starter it turns over.
I believe you wrote that this is a fail safe type of set up so if you lose power to the solenoids, or if you lose hydraulic pressure, you can still get home. (@ this point I aint gettin home)
Im getting nothing. I cant get the "Starter solenoid" to work even w/ a screwdriver for 1. I also doubt that even w/ the plugs out I will get enough RPMs to provide any type of hydraulic pressure. but I should get spark, even in forward gear , right?
Im just trying to decide whats next. I cant blame the oil pump untill I have a running engine. I had thought that I was up against a neutral safety switch.

thanks again ALL EARS

 

[freddyray21]

Re: Push Button shift

I think your starter switch may be bad not letting it spark or one of any other things. Don't worry about the lower unit and the shifting until you get it running. You are dealing with two different issues here. It may shift just fine once it is running. If the starter works with 12v to it then either the solenoid or the key switch or the wires or whatever is wrong. Hard to say without being there. A manual will give you a wiring diagram and that will help alot.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: Push Button shift

can you post a clear picture of both port and stbd sides with the hood off?
some of us cant recall unless we see it.
luckily in my area they have ALL dissapered
most the hydro-electric stuff used no nutral interlock but did use a micro switch on the mgneto advance lever to open the grond path on the starter solinoid .
shift solinoids are located in the gearcase itself.
lets make it crank over then we can move on to spark and shift

 

[F_R]

Re: Push Button shift

A push button shift 60hp would have to be either a 1970 or 1971. Both have the safety switch on the powerhead, operated by the throttle. 1972 65hp has it incorporated with the push button switch in the control.

You guys take it from here....

 

[T0M BAJ0REK]

Re: Push Button shift

I have just cleaned up after playing w/ it all day, I am pretty confident that she'll start now. I turned it over w/ the plugs out and have found a bad keyswitch. if I hard wire it, I get big healthy blue spark!
Guess Ill start there, then move to the choke toggle.
OH and inside of the shifter box there are two white plastic cuplike pieces that cradle a ball bearing and I had found one in the boat. Someone had been into this before......
Interesting to me that they only used this shift mechanism for 2 years.
I'll get ya some pics tomorrow. Happy Laborday.

 

[F_R]

Re: Push Button shift

2 years?? I said on the 60hp for two years. It actually came out on the 1968 55hp and ran through 1972 on a multitude of motor sizes.

 

[T0M BAJ0REK]

Re: Push Button shift

I am glad to hear that, maybe they worked out some of the bugs by the time they made this motor.
Im gonna try adding some pics.

 

[T0M BAJ0REK]

Re: Push Button shift

I added an attachment on the last msg... ahh well. The funny part is the manual will cost more than the motor. Sheesh!

 

[T0M BAJ0REK]

Re: Push Button shift

I have found a bad wire on the "Rectifier". I am now getting about 5 ohms when i test the shift solenoids. I have set my points. I am however wondering if there is a test for the "amplifier" on a 71 60hp evinrude. I would also like any input on people who have converted away from the push button setup. I am considering a 3 pos 2 pole Toggle "maintained" as an option. I believe the push button setup is OK but, I see they are going for a few bucks and I would be just as happy w/ the $$ and a toggle. If anyone has made this conversion, any input is appreciated.

 

[bigpoppakdog]

Re: Push Button shift

as far as the push button shift, I switched mine out to a toggle switch. Since the original video that I posted, one toggle switch has a safety cover. But the video shows you how to do it. I like it much better than the push button shift. Plus my method provides you with a safety switch to prevent a person accidentally kicking the motor into reverse when going at wot.

www.youtube.com/bigpoppakdog

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: Push Button shift

don't go into the lower unit unless absolutely necessary, try all other alternatives first.

Hydro Electric Shift)
(J. Reeves)

The shifting setup of the lower unit is what's called a "Hydro Electric Shift", which is quite complex consisting of voltage being applied to solenoids in the lower unit which in turn change oil passages via a oil pump that supplies various pressure on a spring loaded shifter dog. The wires leading to the lower unit (at the powerhead) are "Green" and "Blue". The engine must be running or cranking over in order to shift out of forward gear.

You CAN NOT use HI VIS lube in that lower unit. You MUST USE what OMC calls "Premium Blend" lube, commonly called "Type C". (A thinner lube)

In neutral, you need 12v to the "Green" wire.
In reverse, you need 12v to both wires, the "Green" one and the "Blue" one.
In forward, there should be no voltage to either wire. (The spring loaded shifter dog forces the unit into forward gear)

To check the lower unit for proper shifting to make sure you have no trouble there, remove the spark plugs to avoid problems and to allow a higher cranking speed.

This next step eliminates the actual shift switch in case problems may exist there.... Disconnect the blue & green wires at the knife connectors (the rubber insulated boots) leading to the lower unit at the powerhead, then using jumpers, take voltage direct from the starter solenoid to apply voltage to the "Green" wire for neutral, then both wires 'Green" & "Blue" for reverse (Remember the engine must be cranking over in order to shift).
With no voltage applied, the unit should be in forward. No need for a ground jumper... the lower unit's already grounded. You may crank the engine with the key switch or by energizing the starter solenoid with a jumper wire.

 

[T0M BAJ0REK]

Re: Push Button shift

I figured a 3 way toggle (airdraft tupe) would do just that , lock you out of rev, but not neutral, I have fornd some differences in the 1970-72 wiring, and some of the "purplr" seem definately brown, even if you cut the protector a bit the colors artent faded, however, because the motor has seen fresh water only , the rest of thi engine , power head, lower unit are great. I will def try turning it over. I appreciate the post. Where can I find your video?? I tried postibg some pics but am not having much luck, looks like my profilre pic is a powerhead now LOL. any how, Id love to see what you did but yeah covered toggle. Now inside the throttle/shifter box assy, there is a diode similar to the shift diode on the motor. The one on the motor looks like....well it looks like a nutsack (best way i can describe it) I have a similar "nutsack" in the shifter box, only i have only 1 nut in the box. (i know it sounds awful but thats what it looks like) what does that diode do??